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Re: Another one on NC .. the KJV

Postby Quitosam » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:29 am

jay_p wrote:The assertion is that the KJV is the only Valid version. Any other translation is "a perversion." and IF you are going to translate the bible into NON-English Versions they must be translated from the KJV to the other language. Not translated directly from original sources. Yeah... If I understand the argument by the original poster the KJV is superior to the source greek and Hebrew texts. I admit I might be wrong about that.

I go to a King James church so I asked about this. There really are people who believe that the KJV translation is Inspired I suspect most of them would also teach against alcohol. But Jesus turned water into wine, and wine is the word God inspired....oops. "somethin's gota give"
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Re: Another one on NC .. the KJV

Postby Petros » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:23 am

Don 't you know nuffin'? Except for the stuff in the verses where wine makes you drunk, wine - the kind Paul recommends that used for communion and what the Lord served at the wedding - means "grape juice". So I have been officially informed.
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Re: Another one on NC .. the KJV

Postby jay_p » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:36 am

Petros wrote:Don 't you know nuffin'? Except for the stuff in the verses where wine makes you drunk, wine - the kind Paul recommends that used for communion and what the Lord served at the wedding - means "grape juice". So I have been officially informed.


Yeah.. I was taught that one at one point as well.

I think there are people who ACTUALLY do believe it genuinely.
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Re: Another one on NC .. the KJV

Postby bn2bnude » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:55 am

Quitosam wrote:
jay_p wrote:The assertion is that the KJV is the only Valid version. Any other translation is "a perversion." and IF you are going to translate the bible into NON-English Versions they must be translated from the KJV to the other language. Not translated directly from original sources. Yeah... If I understand the argument by the original poster the KJV is superior to the source greek and Hebrew texts. I admit I might be wrong about that.

I go to a King James church so I asked about this. There really are people who believe that the KJV translation is Inspired I suspect most of them would also teach against alcohol. But Jesus turned water into wine, and wine is the word God inspired....oops. "somethin's gota give"


I recently listened to a podcast on why Shakespeare should be modernized for all but those scholars that understand spoken 1600s English. I was surprised how many words she went through that I would have misunderstood. That isn't my biggest issue, however.

I'm not sure any translation has tried hard to translate the Ancient Near East meaning of the Bible for some of the more theological passages... Because of that, we tend to misread things. For instance, Paul wrote to the Corinthians that a woman's long hair is her glory and should be covered. Why is that? Does that mean that a short haircut is wrong or are we missing something or that a woman without a hat is indecent? Some scholars are arguing that the reason for this is not about the length of her hair or what was on their head but because they believed that the hair was part of the reproductive system of women.

If this is true, our beliefs about hair length in churches or the head covering traditions that have split churches are rather silly...
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Re: Another one on NC .. the KJV

Postby New_Adventurer » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:13 am

About that wine issue; unless it is freshly squeezed from a recently harvested grape berry, it is not grape juice for more than a few days. There is naturally occurring yeast already on the grapes themselves that will cause them to ferment. After two weeks it will be wine, no matter what you call it. The alcohol content is limited by one of two factors, first is the sugar content of the grape juice. The fermentation process continues until all the sugar is converted to alcohol (a dry wine) or, second, the alcohol content is high enough to kill the yeast; this gives a sweet wine. As to the wine skins, new wine produces carbon dioxide while fermenting. If it is put into an old wine skin that has already been stretched, the skin will blow up like a balloon and burst. A new wine skin can stretch and accommodate the carbon dioxide buildup.

When someone says wine is polluted or a sinful drink they are denying reality and history. If you find this hard to believe you can go to the University of California at Davis or the California State University in Fresno and study wine, all about wine growing, harvesting, production, marketing, economics, chemistry, physics, biology, history, law, tasting, folklore, etc. BS, MS, and PhD degrees are all available, you can be a wine doctor. At one winery in Napa the wine maker’s office had at least a thousand books on wine on 1,500 feet of book shelves, every part of the wall except for the window and door.
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Re: Another one on NC .. the KJV

Postby Ramblinman » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:08 am

bn2bnude wrote:I'm not sure any translation has tried hard to translate the Ancient Near East meaning of the Bible for some of the more theological passages... Because of that, we tend to misread things. For instance, Paul wrote to the Corinthians that a woman's long hair is her glory and should be covered. Why is that? Does that mean that a short haircut is wrong or are we missing something or that a woman without a hat is indecent? Some scholars are arguing that the reason for this is not about the length of her hair or what was on their head but because they believed that the hair was part of the reproductive system of women.

If this is true, our beliefs about hair length in churches or the head covering traditions that have split churches are rather silly...

I know of nothing from Greco-Roman medicine that teaches that long womanly head hair is the source of fertility rather than a phenotype of it.
Secondly, the Apostle Paul was writing under the unction of the Holy Spirit.
There is the necessity of determining if his advice, albeit from the Lord Himself, was in the context of a culture where women with man-length hair were temple prostitutes and other women wore hair to some unspecified long length (but perhaps trimming the "frizzies" as many ladies do today.
I have noticed that there is a fashion among some lesbians these days to have short hair, indicating their lifestyle choice.

Compliance is not always possible:
Consider older women who lose the ability to grow their hair long and also keep in mind that many women of sub-Saharan African ancestry have ultra-short tight peppercorn-like hair.
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