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Postby justthinking » Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:23 pm

Hi,

It's been a long time since I've written anything. A very long time and a whole lot of tears and hurt in those months. My name was a little bit different, and for those of you who know some of the women - you might be able to figure out my name before because it means the something similar to justthinking.

Anyway, our family decided to practice family nudity back in the fall and eventually told some family members about it after several months. What has happened since then has been pretty horrible for me because they have pretty much rejected me and felt they need to tell others in our my family and our pastor and we have been living on pins and needles ever since - just wondering what was going to happen to us. They have also thought all kinds of evil about my husband regarding this.

And I guess I'm writing this to say that it has been really hard for me going back and forth in my mind about this whole issue. It is all so confusing to me. And it is also hard to really let go and believe that this could be right. Even though I've heard all the scripture and find that I can see the truth and have a hard time refuting this from the Bible...my heart and my mind do not want to believe it.

And so there is conflict in my heart - and some conflict in my marriage, too. How do you just let go of something in your conscience that you have believe all your life and then be able to give it up? I can't pinpoint anything...but I just have this fear in my heart and this prick in my spirit that this is not right. I also feel that somehow if we really teach our kids this way, then it could be harmful to them. I had one of my friends say that there would be nothing good that could come from our teenage children being naked together.... It would just set up opportunity for things that are not good. I feel so responsible for them. We don't really know what's on the other side of this or what they will be like in 10 years.

So, please pray for us. I never dreamed last August when we decided to do this that I would "lose" my family over this. I love my family so much and I never, ever wanted to be distanced from them. They believe that we are in a "cult" and that we have been decieved and that we are in sin.

Thanks for any advice.

JT
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Postby jochanaan » Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:25 pm

Hello, justthinking! I am so glad to see you back in our Village; I feel you are my true sister in Jesus, and I have been greatly saddened to hear of your difficulties with your birth family. :cry:

You know, it seems to me that they, in their well-meant concern for your spiritual health, have become guilty of several things the Bible warns against. First and probably foremost, they have chosen to lift up man-made traditions against the commandments of God, or in this case, the lack of commandments. Second, they have not verified their own beliefs by checking them against Scriptures, as the great majority of us here have; thus they are more like the Thessalonians than the Bereans. (See Acts 17.) Third, and probably most painful to you, they have chosen to believe the worst about you and your husband and family; they have not remembered that you would never allow yourself to be seduced by anything that conflicts with God and His ways. Thus, they have inadvertently sided with the gossips, whose tongues are inspired not by God but by His adversary the devil.

But of course you can't tell them that; they would only say more hurtful things to you in response. I know a little of what that's like. Just now my sister visited me briefly and saw the wallpaper photo on my computer, a copy of the prayer photo that I think is in these galleries somewhere, showing a young, naked woman kneeling in front of a Bible and two lit candles. She said, "Well, you'd better get that nude off your screen!" She was only a little mollified when I told her I'd put it there myself. But of course I put my computer on standby while she was here. It only goes to show that I would probably only start a family fight if I told anybody. (I hate having to keep a secret like this! It's like being in the Roman catacombs! :? Maybe if I started gradually with something like, "I've been thinking about what the Bible really says about nakedness...")

Whenever I begin to wonder about how good our lifestyle is, I only have to remember watching and talking with the children and young adults that come to the monthly swims I go to. They're so healthy and well-adjusted and happy! I love being in their presence. That's the sort of legacy social nudity offers us.

I pray for you, justthinking, that the Holy Spirit will speak peace to your heart. And even if you never get naked again, remember that you are still my dear sister in Jesus.
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Postby nudjohn » Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:11 pm

The only advice I can give is continually pray pray pray.
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Postby natman » Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:02 pm

I concur with both Jochanaan and John. The other suggestion I have would be to live in a manner that is pleasing to the Lord, regardless of your state of dress. I truly believe that in the end, your children will be FAR healthier, physically, mentally and spiritually if you remove the stigma associated with a clothing compulsive society, which stigma is "nudity=sex". It simply isn't so, nor was it God's design for it ever to be.
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Postby Paul Walker » Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:25 pm

natman wrote:I concur with both Jochanaan and John. The other suggestion I have would be to live in a manner that is pleasing to the Lord, regardless of your state of dress. I truly believe that in the end, your children will be FAR healthier, physically, mentally and spiritually if you remove the stigma associated with a clothing compulsive society, which stigma is "nudity=sex". It simply isn't so, nor was it God's design for it ever to be.


I can feel the pain in JT's post.

JT- if it helps even a little... I concur with what natman said above. I grew up in a nudist family, clothing was just a very low priority for us. I spent some time in nude resorts, but mostly just never wore clothes at home unless it was cold, and even then, sometimes no bottoms, just a jacket and thick, comfy socks.

Here's how I turned out-

I am VERY close to God.
I completed college and received an engineering degree.
I am a supervisor for a large energy provider with a mid 6-figure income.
I was a virgin until my wedding night.
I have a blessed marriage, 17 years and still not a single fight.
I give more to charities than I use for my own living expenses.
I have received many awards for philanthropy (which I ALWAYS give the glory to God).
Your basic upstanding member of society.
I have never been interested in pornography.
I have never 'experimented' with anything sexual.
I do not hate myself (as most young people do these days).
No tatoos or piercings.
I live by God's word every day!! I love Him so much!!

So, to answer your question, no. Your kids will not be negatively affected by body acceptance. In fact, I watched many of my textile dependant friends growing up (many dead now) destroy themselves with sexual fantasies and porography to the point that their minds were poisoned by the inability to seperate those impulses from everyday life. Very sad indeed.

I pray that God will heal you, your family, but mostly your children. You all need some time away to regroup and pray. Praise Him!!
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Postby bn2bnude » Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:43 pm

I can offer no advice but only prayer.

I'll keep you and your family in my prayers!
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Postby blue eyes » Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:32 pm

Sounds like your getting closer to the Lord and the devil is putting obsticles in your life.
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Postby Jon-Marc » Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:17 am

I know a little bit of the condemnation you've gone through, which is why I've gotten discouraged with churches. Friends who turn from me were never friends in the first place. Any relatives who reject me because of it aren't worth my time. Neither is any church that won't let me be a part of their little "pure' group because I might contaminate them with my "sin" of living in such a "wickedness" place as a nudist resort. I guess what we all have to do is decide what is the most important to us. I've decided that not being ashamed of God's greatest creation (the human body) is far more important to me than whether or not others accept me. I know I'm not doing anything wrong, and so does God.
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Postby natman » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:01 pm

Jon-Marc,

I agree with you, to a point. I think that we must first ask ourselves and the Lord what is to be our bent. Are we to present the message of the Gospel to as many as will hear, or are we to present the Gospel to those that can also accept the truth that there is nothing sinful about the naked human body. Each of us has a particular calling for service to the Lord, and it is uncumbent upon each of us to determine (with the help of the Holy Spirit) what that is.

In this case, both positions are evangelistic, although, it is currently far more difficult to reach out to masses of people if we are pigeon-holed in a small nudist camp or in our houses and apartments most of the time. At the same time, as a Christian naturist and pragmatist, who believes our faith is rooted in evidence, I feel we need Christians living out a righteous naturist lifestyle to point to the fact that we can, and do live and prosper beyond what the world presents in homes void of clothing obsessions.
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Postby Strandloper » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:05 pm

Hi, JT –
clearly your relatives are as negative on this issue as my wife is, and it seems unlikely that you will ever persuade them that nudity is acceptable.
Very sad indeed. But you are certainly not putting your children at risk by exposing them to nudity.
Quite the contrary. A nudist teen who has been properly instructed about the rights and wrongs of sexual behaviour, and intends to remain virgin until marriage, will be far more secure in himself (herself) than a textile teen, and is far less likely to engage in self-destructive behaviour, whether sexual or in the area of drugs and liquor.
In fact, going the way your relatives want you to will almost ensure that your offspring do engage in sex, booze and drugs before they leave high school.
But these prejudiced individuals will not admit the possibility of these outcomes. The only way you can prove them wrong will be to point at your responsible adult children – and it will be years before you can do that.
You are in our prayers.
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Postby Walking Bare » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:13 pm

Welcome back. I can empathize with your situation. Though we know it is only God's opinion that counts we naturally want the approval of others, especially our family. It sounds as though members of your family you were the most open to are the ones who spread the word about your change in lifestyle, this must add to the wound.

In my extended family there have been several rifts. Each time there was eventually contact by someone with in the family who decided to risk contact with the ones being shunned or rejected. Stay open to this. Remember most people involved got a distorted version of the story, spread to them as self righteous accusations. Eventually someone will get curious and want to know you side of the story.

Till then, prayer by both you and us that you may endure this trial and be strengthen by it. Continue to pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirt in your study of the scripture.
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Postby Paul Walker » Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:40 pm

One last thought.

I really hated to post what I did above. I thought it would appear boastful and arrogant, and that is NOT who I am at all. However, the Holy Spirit forced me to do it, and in retrospect, I am glad I did.

One last point to ponder- The friends I had growing up (nudists) are all living similar lives as me, keeping God as the center of our lives, not ourselves. I think that is the key- People are so self-centered, they never achieve enlightenment until they are finally able to TRULY put God in the center of their universe rather than themselves. Some people will say, or even think that they have put God in the center of their universe, but their actions speak otherwise. Clothing is just one of MANY things satan uses to keep us self-centered. Think about it a minute- Everything you do for yourself vs. what you do for others. The time you spend on your own hair vs. the time you spend helping those truly in need. The time and money you spend washing clothes, folding clothes, buying clothes, mending clothes, trying on clothes, fitting clothes, storing clothes, etc. It is all for you and you alone, is it not? Same as tattoos, piercings, etc. It is self mutilation and self-centered, and clothing addiction is truly similar. My household does laundry only once a week, and mostly it is towels and bedding. The time that would have been spent doing the laundry of 3 textile dependent people is instead spent studying God's word, spending time in the garden and spending time volunteering at the shelter and other activities that bring us closer to God. What a blessing!!! Make NO mistake, clothing is an ADDICTION. For the textile dependant, they HAVE to HAVE IT all the time. And, like so many other addictions, they think people who are not addicted to it are weird and they are normal. And, like so many other addictions, it is difficult to break (so I am told).

I was quoted in a national publication once. My quote was "Beyond a certain temperature, clothing is no longer for your benefit, it is for the benefit of everyone else." So, when you were raised like me, or develop a mindset like mine (free from the clothing addiction), clothing is no longer for your benefit in ANY circumstance, unless you are cold. I broke that chain satan has on so many people! Amen!

Now, trust me- I am FAR from perfect. I have sinned, I have let the Lord down, I have brought shame to myself and others. I am made of flesh, just like everyone else. I think the only difference between a true nudist Christian and a 'normal' Christian is that the nudists are one step closer to having God as the center of their universe instead of themselves. THAT is when the real blessings begin to flow!! I know, we don't do God's will expecting blessings, that would be wrong. We do His will because we love him. The Blessings simply follow and we thank Him!

So, in closing, JT- I offer you this. If what you were doing was really wrong, wouldn't people come to you in prayerfully God's name to tell you so? People yelling at you, shunning you, and belittling you for it are satan's work, NOT the work of God. When life starts going really bad and people treat you with evil attitudes, that is how I know I am on the right track! Jesus said that when we accept Him, we will be ridiculed and belittled, right? We have all read that in God's word. So why are you stressing? Rejoice in His glory and stay on the right path! Jesus said the path is narrow. Congratulations! You have just been repressed by doing God's will! You are in GOOD company too!! John, Joshua, Peter, the list goes on...

Please, hold your head high and keep Him in mind when you find one of your family members repressing you. Perhaps someday, they will be as close to God as they think they are, and they will realize they are wrong. Ask them what they would do if they saw Jesus. Wait for response. Ask them if they think Jesus would be wearing clothes! From the scriptures, we know that He might not. Wait for response. Ask them if they would be ashamed if they saw Jesus unclothed. Response. Then, tell them that the Holy Spirit is in YOU, and you have no need to cover your body when it is not necessary, that would be sinful!! Blank stare usually follows. Remind them that they were born nude. Remind them that Jesus was nude when he died for them, and when he rose from the tomb. Remind them that prophesizing for 40 years is to be done nude. Remind them that the fishermen were nude when Jesus came to them. Remind them that many Holy people spent time nude. Why? Because they were not selfish and clothing their bodies and 'bling' was a low priority compared to God and His will and His needs from you. Praise Him!!

You have broken an addiction that satan himself placed on this Earth. Our Heavenly Father is VERY proud of you! And so am I. And your kids will grow up free of the addictions of pornography, sexual deviance, and the satanic view of the human body and themselves. How blessed is that??!! Amen!!

Sorry for the long post. The Holy Sprit can be long winded when using me as the scribe...
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Postby minister72 » Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:34 pm

On the other side of things, family is very important. It is where we get the earliest sense of our identity, of love, being affirmed, and having a place. For so many years we are identified with them; we are of them. We marry and a new type of identity is born in the marriage, but it doesn't completely remove our families of origin from our identity. Being seperated by distance is one thing, but to be emotionally seperated or divorced from them is another thing altogether. Some people face this everyday as they choose to follow Christ when their families are opposed. Some face it because of a marriage, a baby, or even sometimes because of sin (drugs, alcohol, cohabitation). It is difficult always. For many it is a choice based on how strongly I believe something is the right the to do, how strongly I am held in grasp of an addiction - versus how much pain the seperation will cause me. Sometimes the threat of that pain is used as a form of manipulation when there is no real intention of following through.

I am realitively new here and I am in and out a lot because of how busy I can get with my job and family. There are two people I have spoken to or read that I think this could be, so I am not real sure of exact circumstances. Others have made some very strong points here about how your family and church family are handling things in an ungodly way. The overall problem of this in the church today is very discouraging to me - how can we really call ourselves the church and practice legalistic judgementalism the way we do. The choice you make needs to be in agreement with your husband and you need to work this out together. As you work it out, decide what would best grow the family you are responsible for in their walk with Jesus, most well develop the faith they have, and is built on the solid foundations of the TRUTHS of scripture. This last part is so hard, because I am still working my way through the lies and traditions of men that have been passed on as the Word of God, but are nothing more than human inventions. Someone recently commented on the Saturday=Sabbath folk here across all denominational traditions. That is a topic my wife and I have occasionally discussed and are leaning toward as well as recognizing Biblical Jewish holidays.

Please know, with the states of the church and THE Church in America today, you are walking on the narrow road and it is not easy. Whatever you decide, know that I will be praying for you; that the God of all Wisdom will give you not only the wisdom to make the right decision as a husband and wife, but also the strength to stand together in Him on that decision without fear of men, but fear of God. May your fears of rejection, fears of family, fears of judgement, fears of uncertainty all be set aside as you seek the HOLY FEAR so that your decision remains in accordance with HIS Will and desire for you, which we know is the best and for your good.

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Postby Alfie » Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:44 pm

My heart and love go out to you JT and I pray for you and you family.
This situation is one that I do not envy one little bit. May God's wisdom guide you as you pass through this valley of difficulty.
There is some great advise and information here and I trust that God will give you the wisdom to use it well and to good effect.
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Postby Jon-Marc » Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:24 pm

minister72 wrote:On the other side of things, family is very important. It is where we get the earliest sense of our identity, of love, being affirmed, and having a place.

Peace,
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Depends on the family and the family members. Not all families are close and nurturing. Some are just the opposite.
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