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For once a"nude beach" website that isn't pornography

Postby nude together » Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:02 am

:D Very nice website you might want to contribute to...

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Re: For once a"nude beach" website that isn't pornography

Postby JimShedd112 » Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:22 am

Thanks for the link, nude together.

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Re: For once a"nude beach" website that isn't pornography

Postby nude together » Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:32 pm

luxorsecurity wrote:Thanks for the link, nude together.

Jim


Hi Jim, you're welcome. It's neat to see a nice website devoted to decent nudity and people enjoying it. Hope we see more. :D
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Re: For once a"nude beach" website that isn't pornography

Postby JimShedd112 » Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:37 pm

I agree. It might be a way to persuade my wife nudity can be wholesome.

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Re: For once a"nude beach" website that isn't pornography

Postby nude together » Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:51 pm

luxorsecurity wrote:I agree. It might be a way to persuade my wife nudity can be wholesome.

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Great idea. Has she considered it?
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Re: For once a"nude beach" website that isn't pornography

Postby Larryk1052 » Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:50 pm

Thanks for the link. I enjoyed the pictures.
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Re: For once a"nude beach" website that isn't pornography

Postby JimShedd112 » Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:56 am

No, nude together, my wife has not considered trying nudity. But, there's always hope.

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Re: For once a"nude beach" website that isn't pornography

Postby KalosSoma » Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:27 pm

Please help me out here... I still can't get past the feeling that photos of naked people presented for their own sake -- just for the purpose of showing naked people, as sites like the one linked above seem to do, and even as the CNV gallery does -- are at least inappropriate, if not pornographic.

I don't have a problem with a naturist resort or organization using non-explicit nude photos in its promotional sites or other material -- e.g. what AANR does. I don't even have a problem with explicit nudity being presented as part of a non-exploitative discussion of nudity or naturism, as in the BBC documentary that's been linked elsewhere. But I still have trouble with "galleries" of nude photos, explicit or not. I know people have tried to justify it as a way for new naturists or potential naturists to "get comfortable" with the idea of non-sexual nudity, but I wonder if that's sometimes a bit disingenuous.

I'm certainly willing to accept that this is a failing on my part and that part of my "growth" as a naturist includes getting past this aversion. (I even have a problem with the nude avatar photos that some members here have posted -- people who've probably done so with the best intentions.) But if that's the case, I could really use some help.
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Re: For once a"nude beach" website that isn't pornography

Postby KalosSoma » Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:09 pm

BTW, having gone just a few pages into the "Nude Beaches" site, there are several photos that I find to be clearly sexual in nature, or at least provocative.

I think it's telling that while naturists in the real world seem to skew older, and male, a majority of photos on the site appear to be of young, attractive women. So if this gallery is supposed to be "representative" of naturism, it doesn't seem to achieve that goal.
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Re: For once a"nude beach" website that isn't pornography

Postby natman » Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:50 pm

KalosSoma wrote:Please help me out here... I still can't get past the feeling that photos of naked people presented for their own sake -- just for the purpose of showing naked people, as sites like the one linked above seem to do, and even as the CNV gallery does -- are at least inappropriate, if not pornographic.


While many would say that pornography is in the eye of the beholder, in reality, pornography is any depiction of un-natural, immoral or un-godly (perverse) sexual activity. Mere nudity is not "pornographic" unless it is used to excite or entice someone into immoral (extramarital, paedophilic, beastial or incestuous) sex or self gratification.

Galleries of merely nude people are just that. Part of the reason for having such galleries is for us to train our eyes to see ourselves and others in our natural states without associating nudity with any form of sexuality.

KalosSoma wrote:BTW, having gone just a few pages into the "Nude Beaches" site, there are several photos that I find to be clearly sexual in nature, or at least provocative.


I went through several weeks of photos from that site and did not find ANY that were even remotely "sexual" nor "provocative". Perhaps you could point one or two of the ones you consider to be such and we can discuss them.

KalosSoma wrote:I think it's telling that while naturists in the real world seem to skew older, and male, a majority of photos on the site appear to be of young, attractive women. So if this gallery is supposed to be "representative" of naturism, it doesn't seem to achieve that goal.


I think that you are relating to naturists in the US versus naturists from other countries. Many of the resorts and beaches in Europe have a far younger crowd than those here in the US.

KalosSoma wrote:I'm certainly willing to accept that this is a failing on my part and that part of my "growth" as a naturist includes getting past this aversion. (I even have a problem with the nude avatar photos that some members here have posted -- people who've probably done so with the best intentions.) But if that's the case, I could really use some help.


KalosSoma, I think this is an area that you probably need to work on and it will probably take some time. If there are photos or avatars here that give you some pause, please feel free to discuss them with us so that we can may put your mind at ease or, if necessary, get rid of them.
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Re: For once a"nude beach" website that isn't pornography

Postby KalosSoma » Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:22 pm

natman wrote:I went through several weeks of photos from that site and did not find ANY that were even remotely "sexual" nor "provocative". Perhaps you could point one or two of the ones you consider to be such and we can discuss them.

I sent you a PM, Natman, with links to some of those that were most troubling to me (I didn't want to post them here and attract undue attention to them...). Thanks for your patient and thoughtful replies. The "training our eyes" thing still sounds dubious to me. But I'm trying to remember my first exposures (so to speak) to photos of non-sexual nudity, and my reaction to them. I guess it was probably National Geographic, but a nine-year-old's perspective is probably not very helpful...
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Re: For once a"nude beach" website that isn't pornography

Postby Bare_Truth » Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:08 am

Kalosoma,

I can appreciate your concerns, and I suppose that some of the pictures lack much naturist merit, but please consider the following points.
A.
Since the web site is limited in scope to naturist beaches, just how much variety is there likely to be?. Hence most of the pictures will be of activities common to beaches, i.e.
-- Laying in the sun
-- swimming
-- a smattering of other things
So the result will likely be just pictures of people not doing much.
I suppose if someone had shown up with a volly ball net and ball, and there was space enough, and some bureaucrat had not had signs put up prohibiting it, there could have been a "pick-up vollyball game" but that is not all that likely.
B.
Most of the pictures are just snapshot variety and not posed or even very well composed from an artistic stand point, but there probably were not all that many professional photographers there and many of the pictures may have been taken furtively by a friend who had to get the camera out of sight before someone called them a pervert or otherwise objected.
C.
There was a smattering of fairly uniformly distributed photos of some merit showing some sort of action or activity or facial expressions that allowed the picture to "tell a story". That is what would be expected of a bunch of amateur snap shot photos, or as the saying goes, "Even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then".

These points I think suggest that the site tries to be what it purports to be.

NOW , What should not be lost on even a casual observer is that the site is infested with trolls. Maybe half the postings below the photos of "likes" or what ever term appllies to them are by Porn Trolls who at least were honest enough to use such gross screen names that one can readily expect what they are going to find if they click on the posting to see where it leads. As far as I am concerned that totally spoils any value that the site might have possessed. I therefore see no reason to post the link to the site here unless it is accompanied by a warning and disclaimer.

As to your extending your criticism characterizing the galeries here as just a bunch of pictures showing naked people; I would refer you to back to the core of point B. They are mostly snapshot pictures taken by non professionals and probably have not been screened for artistic quality or story content. They are much more like a family photo album shared with friends for what ever value and interest each viewer attaches to them or takes from them. I claim no particular expertise but I do try to put some artistic value into what I have posted to my galleries. But one should not think I am claiming any artistic merit for what I posted, at most I can claim "purpose", (however obscure that purpose may be to viewers). Merit will be in the eye of the beholder. I think it is that way for most of us who post pictures.

So in the end, though I do not necessarily make my argument from the same points that you do, I also am disappointed in what the title of this strips implies " For once a"nude beach" website that isn't pornography". While the site it refers to arguably was made with that goal in mind, the links it contains grossly (double entendre) defeat that purpose :!:
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Re: For once a"nude beach" website that isn't pornography

Postby nude together » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:50 am

:butbut: Wow, and here I thought I had posted an innocent nudist website. :dizzy: LOL :lol: That is not to laugh or make fun of any honest point of views here, I just didn't expect to cause a WWIII debate. :shock: I looked over the site, and it seem OK to me.
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Re: For once a"nude beach" website that isn't pornography

Postby Bare_Truth » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:30 am

nude together wrote: I looked over the site, and it seem OK to me.
Well apparently it was; insofar as its creator made it, the problem was it had inadequate defenses for keeping out the trolls. So long as one does not go to the links (the bad ones) it is just a bunch of snapshots of naturists on beaches doing what naturists do, getting lots of sunshine and fresh air. Its references as to where to find the beaches is perhaps a valuable service. Too bad the trolls got into it. It appears its original intention and your intention intention was good.

Hmmm, there seemes to be a curious parallel to the first few chapters of Genesis here...... just substitute serpent for trolls.
And when it was created the site was good and useful, and the people in the images were naked and not ashamed. Now the porn trolls were more insidious and corrupt more than any other the posters on the site, and the trolls said "I like this image, come and see all my other images. They will not surely corrupt your mind and how you look upon your fellow naturists and lead you to destruction in lust."
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Re: For once a"nude beach" website that isn't pornography

Postby KalosSoma » Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:11 am

I didn't mean to spark a debate or anything - I've just been trying to sort this photo issue out for myself, and I'm thankful that CNV provides a safe place to do that.

This may be another topic, but for those of you who have been in social-nudity venues, whether resorts, beaches or home gatherings, what seems to be the general rule on photography? I'd be wary of going into a situation where people were going around casually snapping photos. I assume the rule is to ask permission of the person you're photographing before you do so (or after the fact, if you discover you've inadvertently included someone you didn't ask in advance). But it also seems like it would be hard to police -- but vitally important, since one photo can ruin a person's life (especially on the Internet).
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