Did Jesus Rise from the Dead Naked? - Fr. James Farfaglia

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Did Jesus Rise from the Dead Naked? - Fr. James Farfaglia

Postby natman » Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:34 pm

Did Jesus Rise from the Dead Naked? - Fr. James Farfaglia

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April 25, 2011
There is something in the Gospel of Saint John that I never understood. Why did Mary Magdalen think that the Risen Jesus was the gardener? Gardener? What’s the deal? “Supposing him to be the gardener…” (John 20: 15).

Think of a place on earth that is very, very hot. Think of a time when there were no washing machines; no dry cleaners; no Malls to buy clothes; people making their own clothes; people having only a few outfits.

During the time when Jesus walked the earth, gardeners worked naked. Naked? Yep, they sure did.

So, if Mary Magdalen looked upon a naked man and thought that he was the gardener, could it be possible that Jesus rose from the dead naked?

OK, before you have a heart attack, consider this:

Referring to John as he waited for Peter before entering the empty tomb, the same narrative says: “he bent down and saw the linen cloths lying on the ground…” (John 20: 5). Then when Peter enters the tomb, the Gospel tells us that “he saw the linen cloths on the ground, and also the cloth that had been over his head; this was not with the linen cloths but rolled up in a place by itself” (John 20: 6-7).

Unless I am missing something, Jesus did not go to the Mall to buy a new set of clothes before leaving the tomb on Easter Sunday.

He rose from the dead naked. He appeared to Mary Magdalen, naked. I do not know if someone gave him a robe later on, but one thing is certain from the Scriptures: Jesus rose from the dead naked.

Now that you have gotten over your heart attack, why is all of this so essential?

We live in a pornographic culture. Maybe you are one of the millions of people in America who are addicted to pornography. What is pornography? It is a lie. It is counterfeit. It is a distortion. And you know who the father of lies is, right?

The only way that Americans will be able to free themselves from their addiction to pornography is through the truth of the human body.

Go to Rome. Enter into the great basilicas; the museums; the plazas and what do you see? The naked body; the truth of the body.

And you know what? In Rome you don’t see the pornography and the strip joints that you see in America. Why? Because the Romans, like everyone who lives in a Catholic culture, are immersed in the truth of the body.

Catholicism is physical.

We have art and music. We have poetry and incense. We have feast days with food and wine. We have gardens and fountains. We have saints and mystics, some of whom are incorruptible. We are immersed in the physical because Jesus has risen from the dead with a glorified body. He is not the product of the imagination of his disciples. He is physical!

“The glory of God is man fully alive” are the beautiful words of Saint Irenaeus.

OK, I am not advocating Catholic nudist colonies.

But what I am talking about is the fact that America needs to come out of the lie and see beauty and truth anew. Too many Americans are walking around like zombies because they are immersed in the pornographic. It is all around us.

We need a new romance.

We need to fall in love again.

As Saint Augustine says, “To fall in love with God is the greatest of romances, to seek Him the greatest adventure, to find Him the greatest human achievement.”

Perhaps the notion of the nakedness of the Risen Jesus is difficult to consider, even daunting to write about.

However, is not the Eucharist the Risen Body of Jesus? Cannot we affirm that the Risen Jesus is naked in heaven? Thus, cannot the naked body of Jesus draw us out of sin and allow us to see our own body and every other body in a different way, free from lust?

Although we will always struggle with concupiscence until the resurrection of the body, is it not possible for the naked Risen Jesus to free us from lust and allow us to love correctly?

In other words, is it not possible that the exposed Eucharist more clearly draws us, through grace, to understand the nuptial relationship between me and God? Is it not possible that the exposed Eucharist more clearly makes the Body of the Lord a gift for me and me a gift for Him?

Theologically, there is no difference between the Blessed Sacrament reserved in the Tabernacle and the Blessed Sacrament exposed in the Monstrance. But, we do use the word exposed.

Is this not the same as saying naked?

Is He not open, vulnerable and exposed for us, so that we may receive His love?

Is it not possible that the Risen and naked body of Christ, solemnly exposed in the Monstrance, can free us from the darkness of lust so that we can see our body and the bodies of others with a new vision, the vision of the redeemed?
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Postby natman » Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:48 pm

Thanks Matthew. I fixed my post. It appears that they changed from .htm to .html .
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Postby Johannes_1965 » Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:04 pm

I'm simply amazed about your courage to post such an eminent catholic article in CNV, identifying the naked, resurrected body of Christ with the Blessed Sacrament exposed in the Monstrance.

Well, I agree with his point (Jesus risen naked from the dead) and know what he's talking about (the same Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament)!

I also identify with the fact that he want's to make known the truth of the human body and is advertising a new romance with God instead of Catholic nudist colonies (the practice of naturism).

The author is the pastor of Our Lady of Guadalupe Parish in Corpus Christi, Texas.
His website is a discovery to me. Thanks!
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Postby ezduzit » Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:44 am

Interesting post ! Why is the crucified Christ always depicted clothed on the cross?
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Postby Johannes_1965 » Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:00 am

ezduzit wrote:Interesting post ! Why is the crucified Christ always depicted clothed on the cross?
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Probably because most Christians don't want to see him completely naked. The first crosses in the Romanesque period (about 1000-1200) show Christ completely, royally clothed. At the end of the Gothic period only the loin cloth remained. There are few exceptions in the Renaissance, like the famous cross of Michelangelo who also painted the Sistine Chapel (see in the public photo gallery).

My Avatar seems to contradict the article. I just want to confess the resurrection of the body, the pascal victory of Christ over sin, evil, the devil and shame. I don't believe He was clad like this coming out of his tomb.
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Postby Johannes_1965 » Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:01 pm

I've somewhat changed my thinking and want to contradict my contributions above.
Ok, the various grave cloths (Joh 20,5-7) remained in the tomb and Jesus did't wear earthly garments rising from the dead.
But he had a transfigured, spiritual body, raised in glory and power (1Cor 15,43-44). And this one might have been covered with a spiritual garment of heaven or paradise. John sees him always clothed in the Revelation:
"In the middle of the lampstands I saw one like a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across His chest with a golden sash." (Rev 1,13)
"He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God." (Rev 19,13)

In all other NT occurrences the risen Christ is nowhere explicitly said to be nude or clad. Only from Mary Magdalene taking him for the gardener (Joh 20,15) his nudity could be deduced, but this is not necessary in a garden that stands symbolically for paradise.

Then there have been countless apparitions and visions of Christ in Church history, where never, ever the risen Lord has been seen nude, uncovered. He has always been described like John has seen him in Revelation. A recent American example: Colton Burpo.
From this it follows, that Jesus' garment to the feet is not merely symbolic, it's as real as Jesus himself. Otherwise all those persons who saw him in heaven would have been deceived over an important detail they saw and even touched.

It seems that it is the will of our Father "in heaven as on earth" , that people are normally clothed.
That does not exclude that there are perhaps zones for nudists in paradise that are not revealed in those visions and certainly this spiritual clothing can't have the same weight and inconveniences as earthly garments (as getting dirty and worn out, with several layers against cold temperatures). Maybe they allow a naturist like body and nature experience at the same time. So far my heavenly speculations.
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Postby natman » Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:49 pm

Johannes_1965 wrote:I've somewhat changed my thinking and want to contradict my contributions above.
Ok, the various grave cloths (Joh 20,5-7) remained in the tomb and Jesus did't wear earthly garments rising from the dead.

But he had a transfigured, spiritual body, raised in glory and power (1Cor 15,43-44).


I do not think that Jesus' body was "transfigured" at His Resurrection. It was not until His ascension that His body was actually transfigured. Until then, He retained the scars in His hands, His feet and His side, which He used to verify His identity.

Of course we probably will not know for certain until we see Him face to face ourselves, but I suppose that the descriptions of "white robes" is a way of describing what we do not know how to describe in human terms, such as is described in Revelation where the metaphor of "white robes" is explicitly explained as being the "righteousness of the saints". I suppose that the robes are not literal. Neither are the "robes" that are described of Jesus apparitions elsewhere, but that there is a brightness of Jesus appearance that can only best be described as a covering of some kind. As such, it may not be possible to determine the actual physical appearance of Christ (is He nude?), but merely His presence.

Many who have described seeing Christ in near-death experiences have described Him as a comforting "brightness", not someone who can be described in human terms, but someone who is instantly familiar.

Johannes_1965 wrote:It seems that it is the will of our Father "in heaven as on earth" , that people are normally clothed.


I think that if it were the will of God that we be "normally" clothed, that He would create us with clothing in like manner that He has created other creatures with hair, feathers and scales. Nor would He have asked Adam and Eve, "Who told you you were naked?". And He would have given us an explicit command to cover our bodies from the sight of others and Himself.
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Postby Ramblinman » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:06 pm

In his feathers he shall deliver you and under his wings you shall have refuge; Psalms 91:4

It would then follow that God wants us to wear wings and feathers?
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Postby Ramblinman » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:11 pm

Or should we take our cue from Genesis 2:25?

And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
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Postby Johannes_1965 » Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:01 am

Ramblinman wrote:Or should we take our cue from Genesis 2:25?
And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.


I like the nude art picture of Adam and Eve. I think it's the best representation I've ever seen.
I do not put into question how it was in the beginning and the possibility to apply this to us now in the the grace of Christ and the practice of naturism (Gen 2,25).
Yet concerning life to come, the Revelation says the opposite: "Behold, I come like a thief! Blessed is he who stays awake and keeps his clothes with him, so that he may not go naked and be shamefully exposed." (Rev 16,15)
"Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city." (Rev 22,14)

I think the white robes in the book of Revelation are real and not only a metaphor: "Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear." (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the saints.)" (Rev 19,8) Their explication or meaning logically does not exclude their reality!
Take as an example the Catholic liturgy, the use of holy water, of frankincense, of candles, white alter cloths, a tabernacle... All these objects have a spiritual, metaphorical meaning, they stand for something else that is invisible or spiritual, which doesn't mean that the don't really exist!!!
The white robes in Revelation and in all other private Revelations and visions are a constant of human perception which makes me believe that they really exist as eternal life of the person and the resurrection of the body and all the other natural objects seen and perceived in Paradise (plants, animals,water...).
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Postby Ramblinman » Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:10 pm

Denial or belief in post-resurrection clothing is not an article of faith, so we are free to ponder scripture and pray for wisdom.

Recently, a Utah homeowner was surprised by a thief in the night. There was not time to dress, only time to grab his gun. Both men were in the front yard in plain view of neighbors. The homeowner held the man at gunpoint until police arrived. Because it was an emergency, the police refused to consider charging the homeowner with public indecency. Instead, he was praised for his bravery and service to his neighbors.

Scripture also uses the metaphor of fire:
If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person's work.If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved--even though only as one escaping through the flames. I Corinthians 3:12-15
God will not burn us, but he does test our motivation as if by fire when it comes time to determine our heavenly rewards. We need not postulate literal flames to contemplate a thorough test of motive.
God's judgement is not a metaphor, the fire is.

God is not done with the material world. He will make a new heaven and a new earth in the fullness of time. We will not spend eternity as disembodied spirits floating in the ether. Our resurrection bodies will not be our present bodies, but they will be bodies. On that we seem to agree.

If Jesus provides literal white robes for our resurrection bodies, and if there is literal gardening to be done, I may set them aside on a nearby branch while engaged in heavy labor. I think that would show due deference for the holiness of this gift rather than to swim with them, dig up flower beds, etc.

However, we must have a Biblical rather than Gnostic view of the body. Just as in Eden, it remains God's handiwork and need not be hidden among those whose hearts are not filled with hate and sexual lust.
If you continue to feel that the human body is lacking something without cloth constantly hiding limbs and torso, you are still not fully possessed of the mind of Christ in this matter.
I will pray for your spiritual growth and invite you to pray for mine.
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Postby Johannes_1965 » Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:43 pm

Ramblinman wrote:Denial or belief in post-resurrection clothing is not an article of faith, so we are free to ponder scripture and pray for wisdom...
However, we must have a Biblical rather than Gnostic view of the body. Just as in Eden, it remains God's handiwork and need not be hidden among those whose hearts are not filled with hate and sexual lust.
If you continue to feel that the human body is lacking something without cloth constantly hiding limbs and torso, you are still not fully possessed of the mind of Christ in this matter.
I will pray for your spiritual growth and invite you to pray for mine.


Thanks, Ramblinman, for your prayers and good considerations. I agree that there seems to be no need in heaven for that white clothing (byssos in Rev 19,8 and 14 is an extremely thin, fine, royal antique linen). My point is based on human close-to-death experiences of Paradise and in visions as the Revelation. I just take them serious and say that nobody has ever seen a naked Jesus or any other naked person in heaven. If you have heard of such a vision or experience, please let me know.
At the moment I feel very much that my body would lack something without clothing because I'm ill, shivering and it's snowing outside: I would lack warmth and the possibility of getting better. If weather is fine and there's nobody around to be offended, just look at my photos to see how I feel.
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Postby Ramblinman » Sat Apr 06, 2013 2:46 pm

The vision of heaven is limited of necessity until the limitations of our minds have been surpassed.
There are those whose dreams of a better world, even the life to come does not necessarily mean constant clothing. I have had such dreams of freedom, others have the skill to paint these visions:
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Postby Johannes_1965 » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:51 am

+ I like your dream and painted vision.
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