Beware the Repairman ! - You Have Been Warned

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Beware the Repairman ! - You Have Been Warned

Postby Bare_Truth » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:57 am

You can file this one away under the heading:
"IT IS NOT PARANOIA IF THEY REALLY ARE TRYING TO GET YOU !"

This appeared in the Week Magazine in the technology section of the January 27 2017 issue
https://www.theweek.com/print/806/49103/article

The Week Magazine wrote:Does the Geek Squad snitch?
“If you send your laptop to be repaired, its contents may come under closer scrutiny than you expect,” said Jamie Condliffe in Technology​Review.com. Some of Best Buy’s Geek Squad technicians allegedly served as paid informants for the FBI, according to a California court case involving a doctor accused of possessing child pornography. A former Geek Squad manager received a $500 payment from an FBI special agent after employees flagged the doctor’s hard drive. The manager denied being paid by the FBI to conduct further searches, but emails between the FBI and Geek Squad members suggest an ongoing relationship, including other payments. Best Buy said its employees have a “moral and legal obligation” to turn over child pornography to law enforcement if they find it, but that taking FBI payments is “not something we tolerate.”
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Do you suppose that $500 might cause a geek tech seeking to afford fancier hardware to presuppose that a picture of a nude child playing with a beach ball with his nude parents on a clothing optional beach might be child porn. Do such people with such motivations really know what the supreme court has ruled about nude children doing ordinary play activities. Can you even afford to successfully defend against such charges and offset the costs to your career and reputation.

And by the way, does this not make such technicians, persons conducting unwarranted searches acting as adjunct law enforcement ???
You would have to win really big in a civil suit after the fact to offset the damage done by such action against you. This rather sounds like the situation where the Walmart photo technician reported a photo showing naked kids in a bathtub !!!
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Re: Beware the Repairman ! - You Have Been Warned

Postby Ramblinman » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:55 pm

This is where nudists need to do some business networking!
There are nudists in so many lines of work, including PC repair that sending a computer loaded with nude photos to Geek Squad should never be necessary.
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Re: Beware the Repairman ! - You Have Been Warned

Postby JimShedd112 » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:05 pm

I recall hearing about Geek Squad paid snitches on the "Alex Jones" radio
show last week. The concern was about government overreach.

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Re: Beware the Repairman ! - You Have Been Warned

Postby Bare_Truth » Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:54 pm

And now if your blood needs to run a little bit colder you can access the original article that "The Week" magazine drew from at:
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/603348/when-gadget-fixers-turn-fbi-informants/

What I would really like to see is the outcome of the court case.

It seems clear to me that what has been going on would be equivalent to the FBI telling the cleaning lady hired by some company, "If you can find any incriminating evidence while you are cleaning, we will pay you for a copy".

Really, what is to keep a skilled tecnician from planting evidence just to collect the reward. I suspect that any such evidence could be easily rendered virtually impossible to identify as a fraud. Even an image of the accused doing something nefarious can be made nearly undetectable.
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Re: Beware the Repairman ! - You Have Been Warned

Postby Petros » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:04 am

I heard of this from Herself - probably about the time you did. it is no surprise [and I think over the past century or more many cleaning ladies have benefitted.

Basic message - trust nobody.
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Re: Beware the Repairman ! - You Have Been Warned

Postby Ramblinman » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:15 am

Petros wrote:...Basic message - trust nobody.


Confession time, Brother Petros: I have sometimes been my own enemy. And a rather bad enemy at that!
I only trust Ramblinman up to a point.
There is ONE you can put your trust in. My coinage reminds me of that when I forget.

But when I hobnob with other nudists, they could reveal my disdain for clothing to the world and make me look like an idiot to many and a pervert to others.
But not without admitting the same of themselves. No one can witness a nudist in an enclosed camp but another nudist, albeit an untrustworthy nudist.
So mutual assured destruction means mutual assured silence. (usually)

In God's eyes there are many shameful things mankind does every day.
Walking naked in a private garden or campground is not one of them.
Pity that so many folks don't see things as the Lord does.
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Re: Beware the Repairman ! - You Have Been Warned

Postby MoNatureMan » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:19 pm

As a tech I have seen all kinds of stuff on people's computers. Private stuff like tax or banking info, or adult porn. One of the porn ones had a virus that (if hooked to a phone line) would call a 900 (pay per minute) number, when started up. You never know what you will see or run into when doing repair and/or data recovery. One woman cried when I was unable to recover photos.
I have always treated all my customer info as theirs and ignored. Of course I have not come across true kiddy porn. Not sure what I would do in that case. Maybe warn them? Maybe turn them in?

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Re: Beware the Repairman ! - You Have Been Warned

Postby Ramblinman » Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:15 pm

MoNatureMan wrote:As a tech I have seen all kinds of stuff on people's computers. Private stuff like tax or banking info, or adult porn. One of the porn ones had a virus that (if hooked to a phone line) would call a 900 (pay per minute) number, when started up. You never know what you will see or run into when doing repair and/or data recovery. One woman cried when I was unable to recover photos.
I have always treated all my customer info as theirs and ignored. Of course I have not come across true kiddy porn. Not sure what I would do in that case. Maybe warn them? Maybe turn them in?

Ron

If you came across a live child locked in a dungeon, walk out of there like you didn't see it and then run like a crazy man when the coast is clear, get some cops, military, the Pope's Swiss Guard whatever to save the child and put the guy behind bars.
But if you see a porn photo that involves illegal activity, not just immoral activity, let the guy get tripped up by his own evil.
I don't turn evidence on him. The guy does need to be caught, but I can't be the one to do it, But again, he will fall in the very same pit that he dug for someone else.
Call it bad karma, evil will eventually be revealed.

You never know how crazy some folks will be when their personal lewdness is exposed.
We have an exercise park a few miles away that got to be a gay hangout.
Problem was they were soliciting for sex, having sex, just making real public nuisance.
Most of these guys were married men living a double life.
They were very dangerous when the cops caught up with them.
They would lose their wife and kids, lose their job, and go to jail where the other inmates take a dim view of this kind of crime.
Talk about lashing out in desperation, cops had to be real careful with this situation, made their arrest with overwhelming force.

At my own job, I would see pot now and then at customer houses. We did NOT report this. Not that we approved, but unlike cops, we had no way to defend ourselves if someone were to lay in wait for us on some future housecall as a revenge for snitching on them.
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Re: Beware the Repairman ! - You Have Been Warned

Postby JimShedd112 » Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:24 pm

Not turning in evidence of kiddie pornography is, in my opinion, cowardly. This doesn't mean I'm opposed to innocent nudity in any way. But, waiting for the pornographer to trip up himself/herself can result in grave harm to innocent children.

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Re: Beware the Repairman ! - You Have Been Warned

Postby MoNatureMan » Tue Jan 24, 2017 6:02 pm

This conversation has made me think about how to handle a computer/individual that has true kiddy porn.
If I came across some that I believed came from that person (predictor), that is turn in time. If what looked like an addiction to it, that is serious and would maybe need confronting or turning in. A small amount could result in confrontation or ignore.
All that being said, it could be on computers a lot and the technician never know it. When working on a system, you are working on fixing or recovering, and may never even see it. But if it is there and sticks up it's ugly head in an extreme way then a decision may need to be made.
Also understand that some porn of any kind can be a system in the temporary internet files. This could be from viewing, popups, advertising on a non-porn site, or...

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Re: Beware the Repairman ! - You Have Been Warned

Postby New_Adventurer » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:56 pm

On the few occasions I have needed to let someone else "fix" my computer I first had them sign a non disclosure statement acknowledging that the data belonged to my company and obligating them to not disclose anything they saw to anyone else. If the technician was an employee of another service company, the NDA explicitly stated that the NDA was binding on both the tech and the service company. One tech got scared and declined to even turn the power on. In other cases I removed the hard drive and kept it while the CPU went to the shop. In one case involving classified data we just had to accept that the disk was the problem and that all work done since the last backup was lost; however, that was only one day's work.

The lesson here is keep your data to yourself and your computer clean. My home computer would be rather dull for anyone snooping around. If your computer is connected to the Internet or someone else uses it, consider everything to be in the public domain.
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Re: Beware the Repairman ! - You Have Been Warned

Postby MoNatureMan » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:41 pm

I have had occasion when I had to let the boss/owner of company know what was on systems and make recommendations.

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Re: Beware the Repairman ! - You Have Been Warned

Postby Ramblinman » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:18 pm

JimShedd112 wrote:Not turning in evidence of kiddie pornography is, in my opinion, cowardly. This doesn't mean I'm opposed to innocent nudity in any way. But, waiting for the pornographer to trip up himself/herself can result in grave harm to innocent children.

Jim

Jim,

I have never been in that situation, but if I ever came across it, now that I think about it, I would have no choice but to notify police.
Although crooks tend to get caught eventually, some crimes are too serious to let nature take its course.
I appreciate your wisdom, better to think it through now than when or if I ever run across this stuff.
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Re: Beware the Repairman ! - You Have Been Warned

Postby Jim » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:13 am

Ramblinman wrote:But when I hobnob with other nudists, they could reveal my disdain for clothing to the world and make me look like an idiot to many and a pervert to others.
But not without admitting the same of themselves. No one can witness a nudist in an enclosed camp but another nudist, albeit an untrustworthy nudist.
So mutual assured destruction means mutual assured silence. (usually)

Ah, but some of us nudists are open to others about it. Fear us, because you can't retaliate in kind! :D

Kidding aside, openness is our only way to avoid blackmail. Or we just need to seriously trust the one and only one who is trustworthy.
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Re: Beware the Repairman ! - You Have Been Warned

Postby New_Adventurer » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:56 am

I have had occasion when I had to let the boss/owner of company know what was on systems and make recommendations.

Ron


A long time ago when I was working on a piece of the Space Station Alpha (its full name) I discovered that the contractor (a "repairman") that serviced the vacuum chambers had done his tax return on one of the company's computers. My boss's comment was that he would have to speak to him. Before deleting it, I stored the tax data on a floppy and held onto it for a few months, but nothing was ever said about it.
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