Inciting lust in others

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How do you cope with the possiblility of others lusting after you?

I may be attractive to someone but it is not my problem if they have dirty thoughts about me.
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It's none of my business what other people think but I try to be careful about who I hang out with.
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I am concerned about the possibility of others thinking of me in a sinful way so I am selective with the people I am around and try to be in tune with how people are regarding me.
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To avoid inducing anyone to sin I wear ultra modest clothes and am only ever nude around those for whom lustful thoughts are least likely or is not a sin such as my own children who are accustomed to my nudity and my spouse.
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Inciting lust in others

Postby td » Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:08 pm

My wife is perfectly comfortable wearing nothing at home and is intent on staying that way when we have children. However, she is adamantly opposed to exposing her body among others (even naturists) not because she is self conscious but because she does not want to provide fodder for other people's sinful thoughts. I would really appreciate some insight on this issue. I don't really want to hear the usual lines about nudity not equaling sex because, for the majority of people and at least a minuscule minority of people present at naturist venues, it does. I would especially appreciate comments from women on how you deal with this issue from a Christian perspective.

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BTW, we're traveling this weekend and school starts Mon. so I might not be able to be part of the conversation for a bit but I'll at least try to keep up with the comments.
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Postby Jon-Marc » Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:55 pm

While I'm always careful who I hang out with since God says not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers, it has nothing to do with lust. Also, I don't think I'm responsible for what others think. I have enough trouble just keeping my own thoughts pure.
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Postby natman » Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:10 pm

I guess the right question to ask on this matter is "Where do we stop?"

The truth is that we can be fully dressed, head to toe, even in a burka, and still have someone "lusting" after us. (Lust, fornication and adultery are nearly as much of a problem in Muslim Arabic cultures as they are in the west, even under penalty of death). That premise does not change not matter how much nor how little we wear. In fact, I believe that there is far more lustuous thought going on between people that are fully dressed than there are between those in most mixed social nudist environments such as beaches, parks or clubs. Heck, there's probably more lustuous thought going on in most churches than there are at most naturist social venues.

From the perspective of the one being viewed, the problem is not in what we are or are not wearing. It is in the presentation. However, even then, the problem of lust is not in the object, but in the heart of the one doing the lusting.

For me, the bottom line is that we are not to call "evil" "good" nor "good" "evil". God proclaimed His creation to be "VERY GOOD", even at a time when His crown jewels, that which He made in His own image, the human bodies were both absolutely naked (nude). If that is the case, then we should display that image... proudly and without reservation or shame. To do otherwise is to declare what God called "good" to be "evil". The evil then is NEVER in the display of the naked human body, but exclusively in the heart of the one that would lust to use it immorally.
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Postby jochanaan » Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:32 pm

Amen, natman. And remember: Jesus didn't institute a dress code when He said, "That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matthew 5:28 ) He put the responsibility to avoid lust right where it belongs, in human hearts. (I have read that the immediately following passage, in which He, perhaps sardonically, instructs us to cut off our right hands or right eyes if they "cause us to offend", is a kind of hyperbole. Of course, the unspoken subtext is that it's never the eyes or the hands that cause us to do anything. :? )
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Postby Strandloper » Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:29 am

Amen to that, Jochanaan.
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Postby Fireman2455 » Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:34 am

I had a little trouble answering this poll as I can't imagine anyone actully lusting after me.. I'm still not sure why my wife sticks around...especially after seeing me nude...
:lol: On a more serious note. I am certainly of the school of thought that I can't help what someone else thinks. It's kind of like I am a member of a photo sharing site called flickr. My wife and I are sharing thousands of pics on there, including tons of pics of our neice. a few of them are her in the tub. A few people on there have made comments about perverts seeing the pics and thinking something, Some people refuse to share pics of their kids at all for the same reason. I'm of the school of thought that:
1. You can't stop what people think.
2. You can't stop her from being "thought of" by perverts in "real life" unless you lock her in a closet for life.

There was a 3, but I forgot it...anyway, you know my thoughts on this now.

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Postby Jon-Marc » Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:45 am

While I could be wrong as usual, I don't believe we CAUSE lust in others. Lust comes from WITHIN a person's mind. We don't create lust in another; it comes from themselves.
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Postby Fireman2455 » Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:54 am

I couldn't agree more Jon-Marc.
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Postby Larryk1052 » Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:04 pm

My wife feels the same way. I tried to get her to go with me to Little Beach on Maui, but she said she didn't want to be responsible for making someone have lustful thoughts.

The notion that only ones nudity provokes lustful thoughts is silly. If a person is attractive enough to incite lustful looks and thoughts naked, then they most assuredly will do the same with there clothes on.

It always comes back to nude equals sex and lust to most people. T
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Postby Jon-Marc » Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:14 am

You can be sure there is a lot of lusting going on over CLOTHED bodies. The absence of clothing doesn't increase what's already there.
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Postby jochanaan » Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:21 am

If anything, clothes increase the element of mystery and lasciviousness: "What does she look like naked?" Moreover, since taking off clothes becomes associated with the sexual act, and thus forbidden, it increases the "forbidden fruit" factor, thus actually increasing lust or fear of it. :roll: That's one reason naturism is so freeing. 8)
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Postby Larryk1052 » Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:11 pm

nicely said, jochanaan.
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Postby natman » Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:33 pm

Also, if the "observer" is also nude, it is very difficult to hide body language. It is far easier to tell if someone is lying when they are naked because their bodies give them away through such things as flushing (the skin reddening), hair perking up, goosebumps and sweaty aresas such as palms and back.

If we are aware that our bodies react in such a way, we are less likely to allow ourselves to go certain places in our minds.
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Postby td » Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:46 pm

Thanks Joch for reminding me of those verses. :reading:

All right guys. For those of you who haven't been raised in naturism, describe the differences between how you looked at clothed versus unclothed women back before your naturist epiphany. Specifically, describe (as much as is appropriate for a coed forum or is comfortable for you) the nature and quality of your daydreaming of women that you had seen clothed versus unclothed.

Gals, I'd still like to hear your perspectives! :D This is primarily about women's comfort with men's thoughts so certainly give your thoughts on that matter but how about the flip side? Do you gals find that a naked man provides more fantasy fodder than a clothed guy? Obviously the guys here don't think they need to be worried about it. Should we? :oops:
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Postby Jon-Marc » Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:15 pm

Well, td, before social nudity I ogled women in sexy outfits, and I enjoyed looking at nude women in porn mags. I would look at a really beautiful woman with a nice body and wonder what she looked like naked. Now, it's commonplace to see them nude, and now when I see someone with a nice body, I wonder why they would be ashamed of it and hide it. Naturism frees us from body issues.
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