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Postby pixlman » Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:23 pm

My wife and I want to know?

If being involved in naturism from youth has eliviated the lust/pornography issue as you have become young adults?

Or

If you are a young adult who recently has become involved in naturism. How has lust/porn been involved as it relates to beating an addiction?

We old guys are glad to have found naturism or is it just that our Hormones are beginning to wane so to speak?

My wife is happy for me but is still concerned that in younger men with raging homones naturism is not necessarily the cure...comments?
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Postby bama_bare » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:08 pm

Pixlman:
I'm not a young adult but I would like to weigh in on this. I have heard consistently in reading and talking about naturism that a person's desire for pornography greatly diminishes when he is finally free to disassociate nudity from sexual activity. But i do think it depends on a number of factors. For me my attraction to pornography was linked to my overwhelming desire to be nude. Seeing other people in a relaxed casual state without their clothes was far more appealing than seeing 2 people tangled up together in an impossible knot and displaying body parts and functions in lewd and crude ways. My fantasies were not so much about sex as it was about being outdoors with no clothes.

But the dark side of porn is not just about seeing people naked. It is about degrading and dehumanizing people (particularly women). It often can be an expression of hatred towards women particualrly where masochism, torture, rape or brutalism is concerned. Pornography is not just about peeking in n people having sex...it's about the exercise of power over an individual. Forcing someone into submission. It often displays itself with extreme acts of violence.

For people who are drawn to it for these reasons, I believe naturism would neither be a cure nor a prevention. It is not a responsible statement to say that nudism or naturism is an overall cure or prevention for addiction to pornography although I have heard that argument coming from a number of naturist sites. Even a person raised in a naturist environment can succumb to the draw of pornography if their motives are like what is described above.

On the other hand for those who have lived with shame and guilt associated with nudity, and have turned in private to explore porn as a means of release, I believe naturism is a powerful positive force which can certainly turn the attention away from porn by demystifying the human body and provide an exceptionally healthy state of self-acceptance.

I've heard that about 99% of sexual arousal comes from the brain. Change the context and you change the trigger mechanism for arousal. Acceptance of others and acceptance of yourself changes the context of nudity. I personally don't think even raging hormones can overcome that.
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Postby Strandloper » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:08 pm

Hi, Bama Bare –
yes, being in a state of violent obsession with pornography not a simple matter. It is also a state of deep sin.
Mere exposure to naturism would not cure it. But an encounter with Jesus Christ, combined with an exposure to naturism, could bring about radical changes in such people.
By ourselves we cannot turn such people around. But He has the power, and if He has entered the heart of such a person, who are we to say he (she) is beyond redemption?
Shalom,
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Postby td » Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:49 am

bamabare wrote:...I believe naturism would neither be a cure nor a prevention. It is not a responsible statement to say that nudism or naturism is an overall cure or prevention for addiction to pornography although I have heard that argument coming from a number of naturist sites. Even a person raised in a naturist environment can succumb to the draw of pornography if their motives are like what is described above.


That's a really good point bama bare. I have assumed the notion that since naturism illiminates the direct correlation between nudity and sex it must serve as a solution to sexual perversion. In truth the addiction often has roots outside of sex which naturism doesn't affect. My own struggle with porn had two very distinct aspects. The most common was the search for people just enjoying being naked as if nothing was wrong with it. The other aspect was the sexual aspect were I would seek out sexually satisfying images. I still struggle with the desire to find those kind of images even though I have become quite comfortable with the notion of common nudity. I have to say that it is still difficult to keep my thoughts pure on campus with the [much younger] girls wandering around in outfits designed to illicit sexual connotations. I suspect it'd be a lot easier on me to sit in class with everyone nude than to endure the clothing that people wear!

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Postby natman » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:55 pm

td wrote:I suspect it'd be a lot easier on me to sit in class with everyone nude than to endure the clothing that people wear!


There is a LOT of truth in that statement.
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Postby bama_bare » Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:55 pm

natman wrote:
td wrote:I suspect it'd be a lot easier on me to sit in class with everyone nude than to endure the clothing that people wear!


There is a LOT of truth in that statement.


Right after I hit the submit button, on my first post, I realized that I left off the real cure...Strandloper said what I failed to say ; a complete spiritual re-birth is what will cure the heart of sin. And that can only come from God through His Son Jesus Christ. Thanks for filling in that blank.

Natman started me thinking about the almost humorous contrast contained in what we believe. On one hand we find the human form beautiful in that it is the pure original state that God said was so good! But then on the other side of that is the honest observation that naked people are not always beautiful to look at. Clothing makes people more appealing probably because it adds shape and texture and color to our forms. Some may argue that it also adds mystery and intrique or a sense of the forbidden by concealing what is our natural state. But clothing also keeps tummies flat, bottoms rounded and breasts from sagging. Your observation, TD, that it is more difficult to keep your eyes and mind from straying on a campus full of clothed young women confirms this. If everyone were naked our definition of beauty would probably have to change to describe an inner beauty. And isn't that the most desirable beauty anyway?

If all of this is true PIXLMAN, then it is far more likely that young men with raging homones are lusting more over fully clothed women than they would be around the unclothed.

It really is all about context. A woman doing the dance of the seven veils could bring a powerful man like Herod to his knees, costing John the Baptist his head. The same naked woman seen washing in the river would not have had the same affect. An unforgettable Marilyn Monroe stretched out on silk bed sheets, sells a million copies of Playboy, but seen naked strolling along a beach bent over picking up a seashell would have been very forgettable.
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Postby dby » Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:18 pm

bama_bare wrote:The same naked woman seen washing in the river would not have had the same affect.


Tell it to Bathsheba's husband. He ended up dead because King David saw her washing herself. (Admittedly, it wasn't in the river - but would that really have made the difference?)
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Postby jochanaan » Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:35 am

dby wrote:
bama_bare wrote:The same naked woman seen washing in the river would not have had the same affect.


Tell it to Bathsheba's husband. He ended up dead because King David saw her washing herself. (Admittedly, it wasn't in the river - but would that really have made the difference?)

Seems to me it depends on the moment and the person. King David happened to see her at an extremely weak moment...
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Postby bn2bnude » Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:31 am

jochanaan wrote:
dby wrote:
bama_bare wrote:The same naked woman seen washing in the river would not have had the same affect.


Tell it to Bathsheba's husband. He ended up dead because King David saw her washing herself. (Admittedly, it wasn't in the river - but would that really have made the difference?)

Seems to me it depends on the moment and the person. King David happened to see her at an extremely weak moment...


And, unless I miss my guess, it wasn't the first time Bathsheba was bathing and would have been seen. Likely, a common occurrence. Growing up I got the impression that She was out on the roof but that is not what the text seems to say. In fact, it seems more likely she was performing her "ritual bath" and was observed from David's roof.

To fault Bathsheba would be wrong. Could she have said "no". I suppose but who refuses the King?
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Postby bn2bnude » Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:34 am

To yank us back on topic. I believe the answer for many here, regardless of age is yes, the issue of pornography is greatly reduced.
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Postby dby » Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:54 am

bn2bnude wrote:To yank us back on topic. I believe the answer for many here, regardless of age is yes, the issue of pornography is greatly reduced.


I would tend to agree. It is the "curiosity factor" about what other human bodies look like that draws many into the sewer of pornography. Very few young ones seek our pornography for the purpose of watching sex acts - but they get that as an "added bonus" when they delve into pornography. If they were raised going to nude beaches, resorts, etc, the desire to seek out pictures would be reduced to virtually nothing, so they would be less likely to seek out sexual pictures later in life.
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Postby natman » Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:01 pm

dby wrote:If they were raised going to nude beaches, resorts, etc, the desire to seek out pictures would be reduced to virtually nothing, so they would be less likely to seek out sexual pictures later in life.


I believe that this is true primarily because when we see things as they REALLY are, such as a naked human body, even a "beautiful" human body, with all of it's imperfections, bumps, bulges, marks and blemishes, and we see people lounging comfortably or playing together on the beach, in broad daylight, we create a sense of discernment that tells us that there is something wrong with an image of a person that has been airbrushed or digitally "enhanced" and positioned to appear "sexy".

This may be very obvious to anyone who has ever had a spouse or a friend pose for Glamour Shots.


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