My Journey into Naturism

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My Journey into Naturism

Postby Gary » Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:15 am

The first time I was naked in public, was about 18 months ago. I just thought I'd try out my local (and legal) nude beach, because tbh, I felt like sun bathing without wearing anything. I liked getting a tan, when the weather was right, and the look of a bright white patch in amongst a surrounding sea of of caramel brown just didn't appeal to me. I wanted a nude tan, or it wasn't worth it, I thought. Was I being vain? I suppose I was - call it a little secret sin, if you want...

I no longer care about tan lines, and appreciate the idea of the nude human body no matter the shape, size, colour or state (now)- but this was the first thing to mention on my path towards Naturism anyway, so I'm mentioning it :)...

Anyway, I went to this nude beach, I got some sun on my naked body - I was just there for myself, nothing else - and, although naturally shy as one's first time doing anything like this - and I was on my own of course - although there were a few others around, (on the large beach that it happens to be), I still thought wouldn't it be fun to dip into the waves for a few minutes just to cool off and see what it was like to swim nude for a second.

Now THIS was a discovery. So ok, a few people were on the sand/dunes to look at me if they wanted - and I'm pretty sure at least some would have been doing so (it kinda happens at a nude beach...:|) - but nothing was more overwhelming in that moment, than how RELAXING and GOOD it felt to dive into those waves with nothing on and just completely feel free and open with nothing but me and the waves to glide in.

I walked back up to my towel probably smiling visibly, or at least very contented-lookingly.

This would just be a seed, but one that would ruminate for the time being in my journey to committed naturism.

Fast-forward 12 months. I was overseas over the last year (as one of actually many), in a cold country, and kind of forgot about that experience I had at my local nude beach in Australia. I was far away from that place, and had other worries and worlds to deal with here.

But some things had changed in my life, some uncontrollable, belittling things, that were affecting my health in ways that reared their head to the surface of my daily life in ugly ways. Yes, at my age, 26, I was having major health problems. These problems were really preventing me from properly fulfilling the requirements of my work, and it was quite devastating and destructive.

Having been an adherent (well one who is aware anyway) of natural health my whole life, instead of taking the conventional medicine route to fix my problems I decided to research into natural health and healing, as a way to cure myself of the (more than one) malady that had accumulated within me. (Which I'm still working at healing now.) I had lived a toxic life overseas full of stress, unhealthy food, lack of rest, and severe lack of Vitamin D, So I came back to Australia, and decided to do something about my health.

So health is why naturism came back into my life; and it's why it's here to stay for good this time.

So why am I a naturist?

I think the better question is why not :). The health benefits are vast and when I say health I mean it holistically - physical health, mental health, and spiritual health.

But further than that (and 'that', would be enough as it is), I've also become a fierce lover and proponent of the environment during this transition, and in addition to that, sustainability. (which means both environmental and economic, and the latter feeding into the former anyway.) Turns out, being a naturist means less an environmental (and economic) footprint on a whole range of levels, something I discovered as I went on and only further cemented why I am naturist.

But lastly, what sealed the nail in the coffin for me, (lol bad saying, what would be a positive equivalent to that? 'sealed the deal' I guess!), was the final transition to 'hardcore' naturist in terms of philosophical views on the topic. After seeing so many benefits of naturism, and coming to discover non-sexual nudity as a practical and doable thing, I just don't see there any other way man should be; I think it important to be 'natural', a word which entails many things (and a word which carries a lot of weight in this modern unnatural society we live in), and naturism in all its benefits and entailments, fits into this ideal on absolutely every front, funnily enough like a glove. (an item of clothing... )

I am hardcore, I am complete, I am absolute. And my current thinking, is that only the mind of man that can possibly be a (/the) problem, morally. Not our state of dress...

So here I am!

My Christian journey, coming up :)...
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Re: My Journey into Naturism

Postby jasenj1 » Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:19 am

Welcome. Great story.

I was in Australia in '97 with Mercy Ships. We were docked in Newcastle. While there I got to slip away to a few nude beaches. I went to the beach below Merewether Baths - Dudley Beach, Redhead Beach, Samurai Beach, and did some discreet skinny dipping at night at Worimi. Beautiful country.

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Re: My Journey into Naturism

Postby natman » Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:47 am

Gary,

I am very impressed. Most 26 year-olds that I know could care less about natural and holistic health.

I wrote an article a few years ago that was published on SavingAdvice.com...
http://www.savingadvice.com/articles/20 ... money.html

I too am very concerned about the environment, and while I do believe that we experience climate change, I disapprove of the way it is being presented in the political arena and what exactly, if anything man can do about it. However, I do believe that there is PLENTY we can do about cutting pollutants such as phosphates and chemicals which are used in the growth, harvesting, processing, distribution and maintenance of clothing and other products. And while wind and solar are insufficient renewable sources to fulfill the needs of our people, there are sufficient other sources such as tidal flow, wave and geothermal which can more greatly reduce our need for fossil fuels. However, EVERYTHING has SOME affect on the planet and EVERYTHING has some cost associated with it which must be put into balance before it can become viable as a part of the solution.

And, as Vitamin D is such an important and integral part of human system, I believe that we can cut medical expenses simply by living life more closely to the way our Designer and Creator intended us to live, "naked and unashamed", exposed to natural wave of sunlight, air and water, rather than covering ourselves 24/7 with man-made fabric or chemicals which block these life-giving and sustaining elements and provide the PERFECT environment for fungus, bacteria and pestilence to grow, right on our own bodies.
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Re: My Journey into Naturism

Postby JimShedd112 » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:01 am

Gary, I'm truly happy you have discovered the benefits of living as naturally as possible at such an early age. I hope you will overcome all your ailments and regain full health. Living life naturally is certainly a step in the right direction.

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Re: My Journey into Naturism

Postby jochanaan » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:12 pm

Welcome again! You've learned in 18 months what some of us took many years to discover. May God restore you to health and the natural way. :)
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Re: My Journey into Naturism

Postby Gary » Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:34 pm

natman wrote:there is PLENTY we can do about cutting pollutants such as phosphates and chemicals which are used in the growth, harvesting, processing, distribution and maintenance of clothing and other products

Hah, I'm with you there!


And, as Vitamin D is such an important and integral part of human system, I believe that we can cut medical expenses simply by living life more closely to the way our Designer and Creator intended us to live, "naked and unashamed"

Well you know it’s very interesting, I’ve often drawn quite a few ‘lessons’ from the 'Adam & Eve’ era when observing natural health (and food), such as the ways to eat things, what works well to eat, and HOW to eat it etc, it’s quite an interesting (and super-enlightened) viewpoint to use biblical truth, history and knowledge to the fields of health, farming, sustainability, and environmental conservation, let alone the usual 'world issues' of our day - e.g., the ONE verse, Pr. 18:14, The spirit of a man will sustain his infirmity; but a wounded spirit who can bear?, sums up the ENTIRE field of barely-scientifically-understood phenomena, which is the brain and mind’s ability to heal oneself via (true) positive thinking alone! Or to give oneself cancer through stress likewise!

It’s amazing.

I suppose one thing I’ve always arrived at is that, ok, some things ARE different (and meant to be so); I do believe that the fall did REQUIRE us to be ‘hard-working farmers’ from that point on, and that while we can apply idyllic principles like picking fruit and eating it straight OFF the tree for optimum super nutrition etc, we can’t pick the fruit off said tree without doing hard physical work to tear out the weeds, fight against diseases and pests etc., like before the fall!

I suppose that’s a good ‘segue’ into the hard question then, ‘did the fall bring about OTHER clearly God-ordained changes (‘as a result of the fall’), and in particular re the nakedness issue, a COMMAND to cover one's body from henceforth?’ Or was that only man’s response to the fall, and maybe Jesus lived clothed as man does, to (well, not only identify with man, right? (which is symbolical of central work by Christ on the cross), but maybe to 'not offend’ or cause a 'stumbling block’, which IS something I’ve seen mentioned by christian naturists as something we should indeed follow ourselves when it comes to fellow Christians to whom the 'stumbling block' issue applies when it comes to nudity?

It’s a fascinating study, and I guess it’s been discussed and analysed to death on these forums haha…..

After re-reading Gen. 2 just then it does seem quite baffling, a few of the details re nakedness, the fall, sex, and before the fall etc…but much study is required, I will do reading and reading :)…with as much true two-way open-mindedness as possible
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Re: My Journey into Naturism

Postby pipermac » Sun Feb 02, 2014 9:23 pm

I find NO command from God to wear clothes in the first three chapters of Genesis. Because God provided Adam and Eve clothes, many ASSUME that He also commanded them to wear them. That assumption is a result of reading our culture into their situation, but it isn't in the text. The first (and only) command to wear clothes doesn't come until God told Moses to make special garments for the priests...for tabernacle/temple service, but the priests weren't told to wear them otherwise. I can imagine shoveling out the altar area, the ashes, the bones, the offal...in a robe...NOT!

I believe that any discomfort for Adam and Eve from their physical nakedness was the result of Satan's second lie...that physical nakedness is shameful. Their true shame was the result of disobeying God, not being physically naked. At that, they were a married couple, who were the most "one-flesh" of any couple that has ever walked this planet, because God had taken Eve out of Adam.

I was raised in a legalistic, porno-prudery environment, but when I got married, I never had any problem being naked with my wife, whether ordinary nakedness or sex. Even porno-prudes believe it is appropriate for married couples to be naked in each other's presence.

As for when Jesus walked this earth: I believe He spent a LOT of time naked, probably most of His first thirty years, because we know from Scripture that He participated in the family-trade - carpentry. I can't imagine for one moment trying to do carpentry and woodworking in a hot, wool robe. Air-conditioning wasn't invented yet. His mother, Mary, also had a growing family to feed and clothe, so she wouldn't have been able to provide multiple sets of clothes for all the members of her family. There wasn't a WalMart or Target just around the corner. It was also very common for working-class folks to do their work naked. Porno-prudery hadn't been invented then... And how about the communal bathing facilities? There wasn't any indoor plumbing either...or laundry-mats...or indoor toilets...or, or, or...all those conveniences WE take for granted.

Search the Scriptures, see what is true, and discard the rest.

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Re: My Journey into Naturism

Postby Gary » Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:23 pm

pipermac wrote:I find NO command from God to wear clothes in the first three chapters of Genesis. Because God provided Adam and Eve clothes, many ASSUME that He also commanded them to wear them.

I wonder what the difference between 'ordaining', and 'commanding' is.

We take Christ's last supper as something he implied that we should do, because he did it. actually NO I'm wrong, he did say 'DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME', ahhhhh....haha.

But still, this notion has come up many times when I heard the reasoning for this or that a practice being a 'requirement' in the Christian life - 'Jesus did this, so he set an example for us...' etc. I mean the argument for much of how the church operates in many ways, is after this example. 'The Lord's Day' being Sunday now, etc.

But was God providing animal skins for Adam and Eve even 'ordaining' anyway? Maybe it was just 'supporting' (without actually implying that the opposite was wrong or not), maybe it was mercy for good protection against e.g. animals which would have started to get aggressive/dangerous/carnivorous after the fall, or indeed just mercy to assist them in their weakness for shame of nakedness after the fall itself? After all look what he did in the next chapter with Cain, showing situational mercy contrary the seemingly usual 'death for death' justice principle etc.

And what does nakedness 'shame' actually mean? (I'm seeing that it was mentioned quite a few times.) Does it mean 'biblical' dishonour? Or just man-originated, cultural dishonour? There's a LOT of cultural differences between then and now on a significant range of fronts, so I wonder how many of those were extra-doctrinal matters in the end.

Of course though, that point is kinda moot anyway because it's the sexual immorality/purity issue that is the only one that in the end is one to be wrestled with.

I'm mostly thinking out loud, do forgive me, as I've already started to read this fantastic document and I'm sure it's just one of many on my journey here :).

Thank you for your own thoughts and encouragement everyone. :)
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Re: My Journey into Naturism

Postby jasenj1 » Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:44 pm

http://thebiblicalnaturist.blogspot.com is another great read. And there are a few other very good naturist blogs out there.

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Re: My Journey into Naturism

Postby pipermac » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:10 am

Sadly far too many people read things into passages of Scripture what they think "should" be there, based on their cultural ideals, but aren't in the passage at all. Matthew Henry was a well-respected preacher and commentator in Elizabethan England, and his works is still widely read by many in Reformed circles. If pastors are basing their sermon content on his writings, they may come up with seriously flawed content. As an example:

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Isaiah 20
1 In the year that Tartan came unto Ashdod, (when Sargon the king of Assyria sent him,) and fought against Ashdod, and took it 2 At the same time spake the LORD by Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, Go and loose the sackcloth from off thy loins, and put off thy shoe from thy foot. And he did so, walking naked and barefoot. 3 And the LORD said, Like as my servant Isaiah hath walked naked and barefoot three years for a sign and wonder upon Egypt and upon Ethiopia 4 So shall the king of Assyria lead away the Egyptians prisoners, and the Ethiopians captives, young and old, naked and barefoot, even with their buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt. 5 And they shall be afraid and ashamed of Ethiopia their expectation, and of Egypt their glory. 6 And the inhabitant of this isle shall say in that day, Behold, such is our expectation, whither we flee for help to be delivered from the king of Assyria: and how shall we escape?

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God here, as King of nations, brings a sore calamity upon Egypt and Ethiopia, but, as King of saints, brings good to his people out of it. Observe,

I. The date of this prophecy. It was in the year that Ashdod, a strong city of the Philistines (but which some think was lately recovered from them by Hezekiah, when he smote the Philistines even unto Gaza, 2 Kings 18:, was besieged and taken by an army of the Assyrians. It is uncertain what year of Hezekiah that was, but the event was so remarkable that those who lived then could by that token fix the time to a year. He that was now king of Assyria is called Sargon, which some take to be the same with Sennacherib others think he was his immediate predecessor, and succeeded Shalmaneser. Tartan, who was general, or commander-in-chief, in this expedition, was one of Sennacherib's officers, sent by him to bid defiance to Hezekiah, in concurrence with Rabshakeh, 2 Kings 18:17.

II. The making of Isaiah a sign, by his unusual dress when he walked abroad. He had been a sign to his own people of the melancholy times that had come and were coming upon them, by the sackcloth which for some time he had worn, of which he had a gown made, which he girt about him. Some think he put himself into that habit of a mourner upon occasion of the captivity of the ten tribes. Others think sackcloth was what he commonly wore as a prophet, to show himself mortified to the world, and that he might learn to endure hardness soft clothing better becomes those that attend in king's palaces (Matthew 11: than those that go on God's errands. Elijah wore hair-cloth (2 Kings 1:, and John Baptist (Matthew 3:4) and those that pretended to be prophets supported their pretension by wearing rough garments (Zechariah 13:4) but Isaiah has orders given him to loose his sackcloth from his loins, not to exchange it for better clothing, but for none at all--no upper garment, no mantle, cloak, or coat, but only that which was next to him, we may suppose his shirt, waistcoat, and drawers and he must put off his shoes, and go barefoot so that compared with the dress of others, and what he himself usually wore, he might be said to go naked. This was a great hardship upon the prophet it was a blemish to his reputation, and would expose him to contempt and ridicule the boys in the streets would hoot at him, and those who sought occasion against him would say, The prophet is indeed a fool, and the spiritual man is mad, Hosea 9:7. It might likewise be a prejudice to his health he was in danger of catching a cold, which might throw him into a fever, and cost him his life but God bade him do it, that he might give a proof of his obedience to God in a most difficult command, and so shame the disobedience of his people to the most easy and reasonable precepts. When we are in the way of our duty we may trust God both with our credit and with our safety. The hearts of that people were strangely stupid, and would not be affected with what they only heard, but must be taught by signs, and therefore Isaiah must do this for their edification. If the dress was scandalous, yet the design was glorious, and what a prophet of the Lord needed not to be ashamed of.

III. The exposition of this sign, Isaiah 20:3,4. It was intended to signify that the Egyptians and the Ethiopians should be led away captive by the king of Assyria, thus stripped, or in rags, and very shabby clothing, as Isaiah was. God calls him his servant Isaiah, because in this matter particularly he had approved himself God's willing, faithful, obedient servant and for this very thing, which perhaps others laughed at him for, God gloried in him. To obey is better than sacrifice it pleases God and praises him more, and shall be more praised by him. Isaiah is said to have walked naked and barefoot three years, whenever in that time he appeared as a prophet. But some refer the three years, not to the sign, but to the thing signified: He has walked naked and barefoot there is a stop in the original provided he did so once that was enough to give occasion to all about him to enquire what was the meaning of his doing so or, as some think, he did it three days, a day for a year and this for a three years' sign and wonder, for a sign of that which should be done three years afterwards or which should be three years in the doing. Three campaigns successively shall the Assyrian army make, in spoiling the Egyptians and Ethiopians, and carrying them away captive in this barbarous manner, not only the soldiers taken in the field of battle, but the inhabitants, young and old and it being a very piteous sight, and such as must needs move compassion in those that had the least degree of tenderness left them to see those who had gone all their days well dressed now stripped, and scarcely having rags to cover their nakedness, that circumstance of their captivity is particularly taken notice of, and foretold, the more to affect those to whom this prophecy was delivered. It is particularly said to be to the shame of Egypt (Isaiah 20:4), because the Egyptians were a proud people, and therefore when they did fall into disgrace it was the more shameful to them and the higher they had lifted up themselves the lower was their fall, both in their own eyes and in the eyes of others.

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* If it wasn't so blatantly obvious that he was reading into the text what he thinks "should" be there, he goes on to INVENT CLOTHING for Isaiah that didn't even exist in Isaiah's time...shirt, waistcoat and drawers. He then goes on to say that the Egyptians will be led away in rags, not naked, as God said. I suppose being dressed in rags would have been considered being naked in Matthew Henry's day. Cultural-modification at its finest. And we wonder why the church has so much problem with nudity...

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Re: My Journey into Naturism

Postby jasenj1 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:02 am

pipermac wrote:I believe that any discomfort for Adam and Eve from their physical nakedness was the result of Satan's second lie...that physical nakedness is shameful. Their true shame was the result of disobeying God, not being physically naked.


(We're starting to stray from the OP's topic, but that's nothing new around here. :))

Another way of looking at it is rather than Satan lying to them that nakedness is shameful, upon eating the fruit, their minds were opened and they were flooded with all the negative feelings, emotions, & thoughts that beset sinful humans. Not only were they instantly aware of their disobedience, but they were overwhelmed with a sense of body-shame. They realized how vulnerable & imperfect (in their new corrupt eyes) their bodies were.

Think of a baby or toddler. Emotions run hot (laughing) or cold (crying) very easily. They are still learning how to deal with their emotions & the stimuli that bring them on. Likewise, Adam & Eve were flooded with a new set of negative feelings. And they dealt with them in an immature manner - they covered up and hid.

God clothing them was an act of grace & mercy accommodating their new feelings of shame. He could have told them to strip off. He made them naked. He liked them that way. Take those stupid leaves off NOW! But instead He comforted & provided for them - he also cast them out into a harsh world.

Although He clothed them, He never said they had to wear those clothes all the time. We, humans, now had an inclination/desire to cover our bodies & wear clothes. God allowed for that, but He did not prescribe it.

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Re: My Journey into Naturism

Postby natman » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:06 pm

jasenj1 wrote:Another way of looking at it is rather than Satan lying to them that nakedness is shameful, upon eating the fruit, their minds were opened and they were flooded with all the negative feelings, emotions, & thoughts that beset sinful humans. Not only were they instantly aware of their disobedience, but they were overwhelmed with a sense of body-shame. They realized how vulnerable & imperfect (in their new corrupt eyes) their bodies were.


As I read the account, I do not ever get the notion that they were ashamed of their "bodies". They were ashamed of their "sins". The "nakedness" they were aware was their utter exposure to the wrath of an omnipotent, righteous God. Hence, they covered themselves with leaves and TRIED to hide from God among the plants in the Garden. (If you do a word study on the word "naked", you will see that there are two separate but similar words that are used in Genesis. The word translated "naked" in Gen 2:25 literally means "nude", while the word translated multiple times in Genesis 3 means "exposed, without covering or protection".)

While the lies of Satan are profound and obvious in Genesis before the Fall, I think that he is far more subtle afterward. The one thing that Satan hates almost more than God Himself is His image, and in particular, His image found in us, and I believe he will do everything he can to hide it or pervert it. There is no command from God to cover our bodies except when serving up on the altar in the Temple, which no longer exists. And there is no "inborn" shame in those who live in cultures where nudity is normal. However, I believe that Satan has been very successful in influencing the some cultures to see the human body as something vile and detestable, unless it is used in perverse sex, modified, distorted, airbrush and dressed in clothing that emphasizes only the sexual parts. He influenced Victorian Prudery in the similar fashion that he influenced the Pharisees to create man-made laws and traditions that, on the surface, would seem to remove temptation, but actually increase it by appealing to our God-created desire to know and understand.
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Postby jjsledge » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:49 pm

"exposed, without covering or protection"

When I read this I thought that maybe when God asked "Who told you that you were naked?" could mean "Who told you that you were no longer under My protection?" Yes I realize that it may be a stretch (eisegesis), but I'll need to give it a lot more thought.

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Postby natman » Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:07 pm

jjsledge wrote:"exposed, without covering or protection"

When I read this I thought that maybe when God asked "Who told you that you were naked?" could mean "Who told you that you were no longer under My protection?" Yes I realize that it may be a stretch (eisegesis), but I'll need to give it a lot more thought.

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Well, not only were they no longer under His protection, but they were subject to His wrath. However, even though that is what they deserved, and they knew it, and God was forced to eject them from the Garden before they ate of the Tree of Life and hence lived forever in the state of sin, God provided grace and protection from the harsh environment outside the Garden by providing skins from animals that were substantial enough to ward off thorns and thistles, cold at night and heat of the day.
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Re: My Journey into Naturism

Postby Gary » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:59 pm

jasenj1 wrote:(We're starting to stray from the OP's topic, but that's nothing new around here. :))

oh i’m the worst at it from taking part in the digression as you can already see, digress away! haha


natman wrote:Hence, they covered themselves with leaves and TRIED to hide from God

oh YES that is it! That is so clear now! thank you! This is like the bit in revelation "FALL ON US", trying to hide themselves from God! wow.....and also, I’m thinking things are starting to look more symbolic (and complex) than just some (possibly) incorrectly construed sexual modesty interpretation of the passage - I know that God covering man in animal skins, requiring the death of an animal, is a picture of Christ covering our sins by his own sacrifice - the Lamb of God - and that it was a PICTURE of mercy as well as a literal one in the situation.

hmm...

The one thing that Satan hates almost more than God Himself is His image, and in particular, His image found in us, and I believe he will do everything he can to hide it or pervert it.

Well I suppose you could correctly say, that any shame in nakedness, it is part of the curse of sin - it wasn’t there beforehand, it is now - and we must agree that ‘it exists’ (whatever it is), because it’s mentioned in such larger-than-live context as this beginning of man’s earthly journey and interfacing with God. (Like my aforementioned acknowledgement of the curse in farming (or ‘working’) to get our food. [our sustenance, our survival.]) Assuming you agree with shame being 'a part of the curse brought by the fall', the QUESTION is, is that shame a correct/righteous shame, an UNAVOIDABLE shame (deep down), or a shame that otherwise must be dealt with in a biblical manner, and if so, how is the correct way to deal with it biblically - is it to cover up, or is it to train the soul to tame the flesh, mortify the body, and/or indeed acknowledge that there need BE no shame in the first place? (I mean, *I’m* not ashamed, BUT this situation in the bible, I think, *I think*, means a bit more than just that - it’s not a small flippant matter displaying Adam & Eve’s (weak) shame at suddenly receiving the full weight of the fall on themselves and realising the corruption of lust of the eyes and flesh at that moment - and when you realise that, it doesn’t sound so weak after all - it’s symbolic and representative of sin, in some sort of way (or multiple ways), so it carries a larger meaning which we must strive to understand what it means.

So it’s interesting, does this passage tell us that physical human nakedness (in front of anyone and everyone) is sinful, or shameful (which is different to sinful depending on the context and hebrew/greek word in the text) - in and of itself - or is it a picture of other things here? Or both, and one representing the other?


He influenced Victorian Prudery in the similar fashion that he influenced the Pharisees to create man-made laws and traditions that, on the surface, would seem to remove temptation, but actually increase it by appealing to our God-created desire to know and understand.

word. food for thought…..
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