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Re: Yes, I'm a closet nudist

Postby NudeDude92 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:58 pm

Good info. Thanks. I might look into it.
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Re: Yes, I'm a closet nudist

Postby jochanaan » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:00 pm

Ramblinman wrote:I have one more resource for you: https://www.unconstitutionalarkansas.org/

Lest we assume that this is confined to Arkansas's problem with nudism, as NudeDude92 reminds us, it "nukes" freedom of speech and the right to privacy.
And not just for Arkansas; it sets legal precedent for every other state in the union and perhaps even other countries.

As a Christian, I comply with every law to the fullest extent possible, but there may come a time when those who feel led by the Holy Spirit, may feel the need to petition for a change in the law.
Can Arkansas repeal the 13th amendment outlawing slavery across the nation?
Can Arkansas repeal any amendment to the US Constitution?
It would appear so unless they are challenged on this issue, any state can pass any law that violates the Constitution and as legal precedent, opens the door to anarchy nationwide.

Folks, this is worth fighting for. I am not drafting anyone into the war, but those who hear the call to arms may need to prayerfully consider their personal involvement to fight with pen, keyboard and even boots on the courthouse steps.
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Re: Yes, I'm a closet nudist

Postby jochanaan » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:08 pm

Welcome to our Village. I can remember the lingering uncertainty I felt about nudism, and also how it vanished in seconds once I got naked among other naked humans in a social setting. If I had had more thoughts than simple joy, I might have thought, What was I so worried about?! :D

The Arkansas law is absolutely unconstitutional. But who has the daring, time and resources to challenge it in open court?
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Re: Yes, I'm a closet nudist

Postby nudist2011 » Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:33 am

Welcome to CNV from Rome, NY. May you enjoy your stay.

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Re: Yes, I'm a closet nudist

Postby DaveT » Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:19 pm

Although i did wander the woods and work private back fields nude at times, I was still mentally programmed it was lewd in public, it never occured to me that it might be righteous even. But a mention of world nude gardening day caught my attention once and got me started investigating. At first my emotions wanted to holler, "its sacreligious to approch God naked" But in time common sense and Bible reason overcame my issues. First it is apparent that God invented naturism, it was His plan in the beginning for us all to be naked gardeners. Then partway through history God commanded Isaiah to prophesy naked 3 years. Then toward the end of the Bible a mention is twice made of common workers working naked. Peter fishing and then field workers in Matt. 24:18. It was common, no big deal. So i have to conclude God has no issue with us being unclothed. Its only social custom at work dictating whats right and wrong. And social custom has no fixed standard to go by, just what someone feels like based on their social experience.

So any laws reguarding nudity, restricting free exercise thereof, also have no fixed standard to be based on. No obvious right or wrong, only what someone feels like. And such laws also blatently conflict with constitutional rights of liberty, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and freedom to persue happiness. They are actually based on a false premise, that nude is lewd and bad somehow.

What someone needs to do, is take the Bible into Arkansas house and congress legislatures, present before them this unconstitutional law, and then read from the Bible how God created Adam and Eve, left them naked, and called it all very good. Then present Isaiah 20 where God actually commanded the prophet to go naked 3 years as an acted prophecy. And ask them. "How dare we, as finite men, tell God He made a mistake, call something evil that God pronounced very good. Or make something illegal that God commanded his prophet to do once upon a time. If it was not wrong then, it sure cant be wrong now.
Then the speaker needs to do a brief presentation of the "mychainsaregone" articles, showing how restricting nudity in common life actually propagates the porn problem. How by getting accustomed to non sexualized nudity in everyday life we can actually fight the porn problem in our society. Present how children raised in nudist families have very low premarrage sex and virtually nonexistant porn addiction. Way less than clothed society. It should be suggested that instead of outlawing nudity, they should kill that law and if anything put in some reasonable restrictions on public indecency but be careful it does not include anything that could be used against simple nonsexual nudity.

A good plan would be for someone to go visit the members of the legislature one at a time. Present the case against this stupid law, leave an easy to read booklet with each one containing the "mychainsaregone. org" articles. And then try to find one at least who will be converted and present it before the rest of them and raise a petition to have the law canceled.
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Re: Yes, I'm a closet nudist

Postby NudeDude92 » Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:20 pm

DaveT wrote:What someone needs to do, is take the Bible into Arkansas house and congress legislatures, present before them this unconstitutional law, and then read from the Bible how God created Adam and Eve, left them naked, and called it all very good. Then present Isaiah 20 where God actually commanded the prophet to go naked 3 years as an acted prophecy. And ask them. "How dare we, as finite men, tell God He made a mistake, call something evil that God pronounced very good. Or make something illegal that God commanded his prophet to do once upon a time. If it was not wrong then, it sure cant be wrong now.
Then the speaker needs to do a brief presentation of the "mychainsaregone" articles, showing how restricting nudity in common life actually propagates the porn problem. How by getting accustomed to non sexualized nudity in everyday life we can actually fight the porn problem in our society. Present how children raised in nudist families have very low premarrage sex and virtually nonexistant porn addiction. Way less than clothed society. It should be suggested that instead of outlawing nudity, they should kill that law and if anything put in some reasonable restrictions on public indecency but be careful it does not include anything that could be used against simple nonsexual nudity.

A good plan would be for someone to go visit the members of the legislature one at a time. Present the case against this stupid law, leave an easy to read booklet with each one containing the "mychainsaregone. org" articles. And then try to find one at least who will be converted and present it before the rest of them and raise a petition to have the law canceled.


My real question is how many member of the state government even are aware of the law itself. Since this law is easily 50 years old, I doubt there's even anybody there who remembers the law being put into effect. That being said, anybody doing what you propose is risking jail by violating the clause making the act of advocating naturism illegal. On the flip side, it is also entirely possible that the changing views on nudity have advanced to the point that they wouldn't care that advocacy is illegal and therefore do nothing against it. This would be the best case scenario.

The legality is perhaps one of my biggest hurdles to naturism being practiced more by myself and my wife. As a christian, I want to honor God by being subject to higher powers. But read again a certain section of the law:

§ 5-68-204 - Nudism.

(a) As used in this section, "nudism" means the act or acts of a person or persons congregating or gathering with his, her, or their private parts exposed in the presence of one (1) or more persons of the opposite sex as a form of social practice.

(b) The provisions of this section do not apply to the enumerated acts if:

(1) The purpose of the person committing the act or acts is to render medical or surgical treatment or to determine the need for medical or surgical treatment or to cleanse such sexual part, and the person committing the act:

(A) Is a licensed physician, as defined by § 17-80-101, or any such physician of a sister state making a professional call into Arkansas;

(B) Committed the act under the professional direction of any physician described in subdivision (b)(1)(A) of this section; or

(C) Is a nurse duly registered or licensed by the Arkansas State Board of Nursing; or

(2) The persons are married legally one to another.

Note the last line I highlighted. Does this mean is legal for me to do so as long as it is just with my wife? I would be okay if that's the case to find some private spot, but still, I'd rather this law didn't exist.
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Re: Yes, I'm a closet nudist

Postby Ramblinman » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:40 pm

NudeDude92 wrote:Absolutely. That being said, none of even my closest of friends know about this. For me, it's not that I wish to broadcast my interest in nudism (I certainly don't),

You might be surprised to learn this, but I have no particular interest in telling random people that:
I enjoy being naked in mild weather.
I advocate nudism.

But why would a deacon or pastor feel compelled to tell his congregation that he was naked in the shower this morning?

But laws against nudism and public condemnation of nudity at a swimming hole or a beach or on a cot in a fenced back yard are merely SYMPTOMS of a serious sickness in the Christian church and American society that I will most certainly fight against with great candor regardless of backlash.
The problem has sometimes been described as porno-prudery. These two words are deliberately linked because the concepts are linked, two sides of the coin, different facets of the same problem.
It is not necessary nor even helpful to introduce the topic in terms of nudism and nudity.
Nudist resorts and nude beaches are a social gathering of those who are free from the problem. Why discuss the results of freedom to those who still don't understand that they have a soul sickness?

Many of us know someone, usually a young woman who experiences anorexia nervosa or bulimia.
We know of kids with a few extra pounds who are teased for their deviation from the norm.
I was teased for having pubic hair a year earlier than most boys. The boys who teased me were just as hairy within a matter of months, but even the slightest deviation is attacked.
This teasing was at a church camp. Thankfully, the counselor intervened and I didn't lose too much time in shame.
Girls with breasts that are slow to develop are held up to ridicule.
And far too many boys are not getting the help they need, growing up obsessed with what lies hidden beneath panties and brassieres.
The churches I have passed through have taught one to avoid the issue rather than pulling it up by the roots. Gimmicks such as teaching boys to avoid eye contact with women are papering over a moldy wall. The mold will grow through the paper in time.
And Arkansas and other southern states have historically displayed cruelty to people having darker skin.

NudeDude92 wrote:it's more the internal conflict in me about just say, visiting a nude or clothing optional beach. It's just being nude in public that still makes me uncomfy. I have been discussing the matter to length only with my wife. See, I come from a large family that you could say was extremely conservative. No one saw the other nude except by accident or prank. It was an unspoken rule in the home that the nude body was only to be seen by ones spouse.


Not all "family traditions" are noble, not all worth conveying to the next generation.
My father once told me that he wanted me to emulate his example, but urged me not to stop with his example, but to surpass it, as God revealed the truth to me.
I think it was wise of him to urge me to pursue the higher calling, to take our family further down the path of goodness.
Jesus said, "Except your righteousness exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven".
These spiritual leaders had long-established traditions, but missed the heart of God when it came to righteousness.

NudeDude92 wrote:What it ultimately boils down to for me is this: In history past, God granted desires to his people, then left them with leanness in their souls. My examples mainly have to do with OT Israel.
First: "We want meat, not just manna!"
God: "Okay, but here's a plague on you for not being satisfied in my provision"

2nd: "We want a king"
God: "Okay, but he will enslave you"

Now to:
Me: "I want to be nude"
Nagging feeling: "Okay, here's the shame of keeping a secret like that, because you know nobody that trustworthy."


I don't know anyone who doesn't enjoy the sensation of nudity in a hot shower or while sunbathing in one's back yard or taking a dip on a campout.
This is true whether they admit it or not. It is hardly a secret, though folks may feel uncomfortable talking about it.
Again, it seems silly to me to discuss the obvious: comfort is comfortable. It isn't the core issue anyway.

But in the context of a discussion about practical Christian living with those whom the Lord has put in my watch care, I absolutely will discuss the issues of body image, eating disorders, racial prejudice, lewd interest in nudity and the decency of the body in the context of the fine arts, particularly church art. Is God a pornographer? Did he create something filthy when our Lord made Adam and Eve?
I heard of one case where the Taliban forced girls to die inside a burning building because if they fled in the night, in their haste to flee they might be nude or partially nude.
Obviously it is better for a woman to die than any portion of her body be visible, so goes the reasoning anyway.

NudeDude92 wrote:My biggest conflict, the one that haunts me about this is that I feel like I'm rebelling against my upbringing, and as a result, it's almost like there's this response to my desires like God gave to Israel. Maybe I'm again over thinking this, and I should just shut up and try it. Thoughts? Does any of this make sense to you?


Your concerns are understandable and I urge you to continue to wrestle with the subject until you have found peace with God in this matter.
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Re: Yes, I'm a closet nudist

Postby NudeDude92 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:16 am

Ramblinman wrote:You might be surprised to learn this, but I have no particular interest in telling random people that:
I enjoy being naked in mild weather.
I advocate nudism.


Same here. I didn't expect people to anyway. For me this was certainly not my intention to be vocal to people I know about naturism. As I have mentioned before, my conflict has simply been with the act of going somewhere to try it.

Ramblinman wrote:And far too many boys are not getting the help they need, growing up obsessed with what lies hidden beneath panties and brassieres.
The churches I have passed through have taught one to avoid the issue rather than pulling it up by the roots. Gimmicks such as teaching boys to avoid eye contact with women are papering over a moldy wall. The mold will grow through the paper in time.


Again, I would have to agree. Since my parents never brought up the issue, I can relate. My church also did not bring up how to handle this problem.

Ramblinman wrote:But in the context of a discussion about practical Christian living with those whom the Lord has put in my watch care, I absolutely will discuss the issues of body image, eating disorders, racial prejudice, lewd interest in nudity and the decency of the body in the context of the fine arts, particularly church art. Is God a pornographer? Did he create something filthy when our Lord made Adam and Eve?


To this I would again say I agree. No, God is certainly not a pornographer. When it comes to body issues, I've never had any personally. I've always been skinny. I am only 145 lbs on a good day standing 6ft tall. That being said, I guess you could call the fact that I can't seem to get any more weight to stay might be my only "body issue", but I'm over it.

Now can I open a can of worms over body acceptance here? Or should I start another topic elsewhere? Because I have a serious question to ask: Just how far can one reasonably go with body acceptance? Obviously I don't think anybody has a perfect body. My thing has more to do with people who won't take decent care of themselves and demand to be accepted anyway (obesity and fat acceptance come to mind). Since naturism by definition seems to advertise health benefits, shouldn't that also include healthy body weight? Again, I'd be happy to start a new strip over this topic if this isn't the best place. The main reason I bring it up is because many times I have seen naturism/nudism tied to blind body acceptance without "any judgement", and this has been a sticking point for me. I do feel folks need to take care of themselves. Thoughts?

On the positive side of that coin however I have managed to help my wife with (like she needed it, this is more a common point of agreement) is makeup. She doesn't wear the stuff, because she knows she's good looking the way God made her. I have been blessed with a jewel of a wife. :biggrin:
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Re: Yes, I'm a closet nudist

Postby Ramblinman » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:45 pm

Ramblinman wrote:And far too many boys are not getting the help they need, growing up obsessed with what lies hidden beneath panties and brassieres.
The churches I have passed through have taught one to avoid the issue rather than pulling it up by the roots. Gimmicks such as teaching boys to avoid eye contact with women are papering over a moldy wall. The mold will grow through the paper in time.


NudeDude92 wrote:Again, I would have to agree. Since my parents never brought up the issue, I can relate. My church also did not bring up how to handle this problem.


NudeDude92 wrote:When it comes to body issues, I've never had any personally. I've always been skinny. I am only 145 lbs on a good day standing 6ft tall. That being said, I guess you could call the fact that I can't seem to get any more weight to stay might be my only "body issue", but I'm over it.

Physical fitness is mostly manifested internally and we don't always see the whole picture when we look at someone superficially. But to a certain extent, a lean body, clear skin and good posture are good indications of health, but no guarantee.

NudeDude92 wrote:Now can I open a can of worms over body acceptance here? Or should I start another topic elsewhere? Because I have a serious question to ask: Just how far can one reasonably go with body acceptance? Obviously I don't think anybody has a perfect body. My thing has more to do with people who won't take decent care of themselves and demand to be accepted anyway (obesity and fat acceptance come to mind). Since naturism by definition seems to advertise health benefits, shouldn't that also include healthy body weight? Again, I'd be happy to start a new strip over this topic if this isn't the best place. The main reason I bring it up is because many times I have seen naturism/nudism tied to blind body acceptance without "any judgement", and this has been a sticking point for me. I do feel folks need to take care of themselves. Thoughts?


To carry that part of your post forward, I started a new topic: Body Acceptance vs Promoting Fitness
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Re: Yes, I'm a closet nudist

Postby NudeDude92 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:44 pm

Which I shall join asap.

But first,

Ramblinman wrote:Not all "family traditions" are noble, not all worth conveying to the next generation.
My father once told me that he wanted me to emulate his example, but urged me not to stop with his example, but to surpass it, as God revealed the truth to me.
I think it was wise of him to urge me to pursue the higher calling, to take our family further down the path of goodness.


I definitely agree on this point. But there is one thing I do want to continue from my father, and make it a "family tradition" of sorts. My father is a man who is a "seeker of truth". This has led him to search scripture and see what is truly being taught, especially if something a pastor or speaker says didn't sit right. For this reason, I have upmost respect for him, and in that I wish to emulate him.

He is definitely also a great father, though not perfect. This is a main reason I have joined CNV. I have been wrestling with this issue since childhood. I have always felt more at home sans threads, but never went without them unless alone. I guess you might say we were ashamed by assumption. Basically, the only time it was permitted was when we were too young for it to matter, and we never asked if nudity was okay simply because we could "accurately" predict the answer(though that being said, I still have no idea what they'd say).

For all this, I now seek to know what I believe on any issue, and be able to back it up with what is in scripture(notice I didn't say what I see in scripture). Naturism is now the latest thing to wrestle with. Hence, I am here.
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Re: Yes, I'm a closet nudist

Postby Ramblinman » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:45 pm

NudeDude92 wrote:But there is one thing I do want to continue from my father, and make it a "family tradition" of sorts. My father is a man who is a "seeker of truth". This has led him to search scripture and see what is truly being taught, especially if something a pastor or speaker says didn't sit right. For this reason, I have upmost respect for him, and in that I wish to emulate him.

So if we truly wish to emulate our fathers, both mine and yours, we may very well exceed them in knowledge and faith, love and trust without doing a disservice to their memory.


NudeDude92 wrote:For all this, I now seek to know what I believe on any issue, and be able to back it up with what is in scripture(notice I didn't say what I see in scripture). Naturism is now the latest thing to wrestle with. Hence, I am here.

We are here to learn and grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ in all things.
As I see it, naturism is not a goal as much as it is an attitude about our place in God's kingdom, about God's role as creator and our bodies as his creation.
The concept promotes respect for one's own body and respect for the bodies of others; this is simply is an outgrowth of the Christian message and cannot be separated from it.
If some of us find access to organized social events with like-minded people on this matter, that is a great opportunity.
Other folks will have to content themselves with sunbathing in a private corner of the back yard or bathing alone or with loved ones in a secluded river on a camping trip. Not a thing wrong with that either!
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Re: Yes, I'm a closet nudist

Postby NudeDude92 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:50 pm

Ramblinman wrote:If some of us find access to organized social events with like-minded people on this matter, that is a great opportunity.
Other folks will have to content themselves with sunbathing in a private corner of the back yard or bathing alone or with loved ones in a secluded river on a camping trip. Not a thing wrong with that either!


Personally, what you just said is what I'd rather do. I have been much of an introvert through my growing years, and to this day I would rather spend time with only one or two others in a quiet private outdoor excursion such as fishing or hiking. Crowds and crowded spaces tire me out, and I've always been a fan of elbow room. So naturally, I apply this to my budding nudist interest. My wife is the only other person I have been deliberately nude around, and I same for her. If this could be maintained practically, I would continue to do only that. This is were the downside comes. During the summer break, we frequent the best lake for swimming I've ever been to, Greers Ferry in Arkansas. BUUUTTT.... there's nowhere private, except private property there. That and again, nudism is illegal by law(unless I read it right and it excludes married couples). :argh:

So here I am looking for legal options to swim nude. So far, the closest place similar to Greers Ferry is Hippie Hollow at Lake Travis in Austin, TX. Looks like I might just bite the bullet and go there. See if it's something we can enjoy, or just find a more private option. I shall see.
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Re: Yes, I'm a closet nudist

Postby Ramblinman » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:50 pm

NudeDude92

There are a lot of resources for Arkansas folks. Stay with us and our Missouri friends will help you find those resources.

I love our little campground and the friends I have made there. The larger resorts can take longer to find friends, but I love sports and had fun playing volleyball and making friends in the more intimate setting of volleyball and petanque events, or just hanging around the pool at a place that might seem at first too large to make friends. In fact, I went to a worship service one Sunday at this large resort and enjoyed praying with everyone, singing praise songs and getting acquainted with local Christians.

I am somewhere between introvert and extrovert. I need meditation time, but also need the social time.
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Re: Yes, I'm a closet nudist

Postby Petros » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:40 am

On acceptance - my stance is pretty much

In good looks I am not a star.
There are others more lovely by far.
But my face, I don't mind it,
Because I'm behind it--
It's the people in front that I jar.

Given we see everything in a dark distorting metal plate mirror, I don't turn up the lights to look at myself. I extend the same courtesy to others.
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Re: Yes, I'm a closet nudist

Postby Maverick » Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:42 pm

NudeDude92 wrote:So here I am looking for legal options to swim nude. So far, the closest place similar to Greers Ferry is Hippie Hollow at Lake Travis in Austin, TX. Looks like I might just bite the bullet and go there. See if it's something we can enjoy, or just find a more private option. I shall see.


NudeDude, I hope to make it down to Hippie Hollow sometime this year, hopefully in the next month or so. I have not been yet, but have heard great things about it from a naturist friend. If you're seriously considering a trip down and wanted some company, let me know and I'd try to be down there to meet you on a weekend. That is, if you wanted company. If you (and your wife?) wanted to go anonymously, I totally understand! Just thought I'd mention it.

I'm hoping to camp out in the Austin area over a long weekend and visit HH, but also do some hiking and visit the nearby Hamilton Pool Preserve.
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