A naturist or a nudist?

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Re: A naturist or a nudist?

Postby Petros » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:12 am

Bearing in mind that I am a professional linguist [I do prefer the term philologer], I find your reasoning intriguing. Is the rather similar sound of student also by you harsh? There is a paper in this somewhere. And what would be a nicer atlternative to "student" comparable to naturist?
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Re: A naturist or a nudist?

Postby Englishman » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:35 am

Rats! Now I have to come up a clever answer for a clever person.

This is coming from the perspective of someone who speaks English like what I do. If you can find enough breadth in that for a scholarly paper; much power to your, hopefully restored, elbow. To answer your question, 'student' (at least on my neck of the woods) is pronounced 'stewdent'. Somehow the 'd' is softer; possibly because it's not followed by the hissing syllable '-ist'?

What would I call a student? Oh, the wicked thoughts I have had to crush while contemplating my response! Scholar seems good to me. Also, he said as another set of neurons fired off, like 'naturist' it's capable of a wider interpretation & hints at something more than the balder nudist & student.

By the way, I am not a words or linguistic specialist; I just have ideas which cause more reasoned minds to nod sagely &/or reject out of hand.
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Re: A naturist or a nudist?

Postby Petros » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:43 am

Item - I am quite aware of the aesthetics of sound combos in a given language or across languages. Never studied the phenomenon, though I have some ideas.

Item - I am moderately conversant with some of the various speech patterns on your side of the sea - more than I am with some of ours. Your differentiating on the basis of the syllabic n versus the sibilant after an an adjusted d is plausible and interesting, though I am not ready to dive into a full investigation just now.

Item - I like scholar myself for any number of reasons - though these days it is rarely used. The student / scholar difference I feel is greater than nudist / naturist is for most of us, student being usually an age - class stage like caterpillar, while student includes a mind set. To be fair, for some of us nudist / naturis is a very similar difference.

That said - the kind of person who could be a scholar whether he is or not truly enjoys and profits from discussing this kind of thing. My equivalent of meeting a pal or two at the local and chatting / laughing through a few rounds.
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Re: A naturist or a nudist?

Postby Lionheart » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:44 am

Lots of great insights throughout. I have gone back and forth with my thoughts. Currently I consider my self more a naturist. It has that purpose of recreation and I love the outdoors. I’m pretty much just practical nudity otherwise. I don’t rush to get dressed, but don’t necessarily hang nude around the house. If it’s hot, the kids and I will stay in underwear. For yardwork, it’s nearly always shirtless and freeballing in lightweight hiking shorts. Locker room and sauna is as naked as I can be for as long as I can be. Naturist seems a bit more acceptable in my mind but the reality is that if there were true freedom, I would be naked anywhere and everywhere. I’d be fine being naked when others were not I am so comfortable with my body now as long as I knew others were not offended.
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Re: A naturist or a nudist?

Postby Englishman » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:04 pm

Such knowledge is too wonderful for me, I cannot attain it. So I shall bow gracefully & head to the kitchen to make a Marble Cake for tomorrow.
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Re: A naturist or a nudist?

Postby Maverick » Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:54 pm

Englishman wrote:Such knowledge is too wonderful for me, I cannot attain it. So I shall bow gracefully & head to the kitchen to make a Marble Cake for tomorrow.


All this talk about diction is making me hungry. Save a piece for me, please. ;)
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Re: A naturist or a nudist?

Postby Petros » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:42 am

Last night's addition to the Christmas preparations was Cranberry Bread.
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Re: A naturist or a nudist?

Postby andy » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:16 pm

Many thanks. Excuse me if my question seems to be naive. I'm new in this sphere so I try to recognize who am I.
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Re: A naturist or a nudist?

Postby Lionheart » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:09 pm

andy wrote:Many thanks. Excuse me if my question seems to be naive. I'm new in this sphere so I try to recognize who am I.

Andy, This is a good discussion. Thanks for asking the question. Around the world, the ideas are different. Some words mean different things in different regions. I break it down in the following:
- Body positive views, not offended by nudity in others but may not really seek out nude opportunities for oneself.
- Practical nudity, nude when needed or as opportunity applies, changing, bathing, back country camping, locker room, sauna if custom dictates.
- home nudity, casually nude around the house, but not given to full time nudity.
- nude in nature, enjoys nude recreation opportunities while swimming, camping, hiking, sun bathing, etc. elements of nature, wind, and sun are present, may be with or without others present.
- social nudity, naked game nights, dinners, social events. nude for the sake of nudity, but within private, acceptable venues.
- full nude, would be nude full time and in all situations if law and condition allowed, regardless of the clothed state of others.

Nude motivations may also be different in each of the above situations: comfort, shock value, protest, conviction, recreation, relaxation, build confidence, express openness/vulnerability.

I am sure others can add more to this list... just some random thoughts as I think about what I enjoy, what I would like to experience, and the reason why.
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Re: A naturist or a nudist?

Postby JimShedd112 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:32 pm

I would like to live full-time nude anywhere/anytime if law and societal viewpoints would allow. Unfortunately, I can't even live nude full-time at home due to the views of my non-nudist wife and daughter so I'm nude as opportunities allow. I do refer to myself as a nudist, perhaps it's because it's the first term I heard related to living or finding opportunities to be naked and free.

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Re: A naturist or a nudist?

Postby andy » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:15 pm

I'm agree that the naturism/nudism is a multifaceted phenomenon. If you like just to sunbathe nude outside the city, you are the nudist too, like a person, who spend all the time of the day being bare. Do what you like to do. I don't want to force myself to sleep nude every day if sometimes I feel cold in winter. But I respect every tipe of being nude and don't think that someone is MORE true nudist then other one. I enjoy if the people respect the lifestyle of each others... My lifestyle doesn't permit me to be nude often. On the nudist beach in vacation, in the locker room before and after a water pool, near computer if I'm alone at home. This is my way of being naked. Can I recognize myself as a nudist/naturist like everyone among you?
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Re: A naturist or a nudist?

Postby JimShedd112 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:19 pm

Yes Andy, as I believe most will agree, you can identify yourself as a nudist/naturist, whichever term you prefer. I am pretty much limited to sleeping nude, sunbathing nude, and sitting at my computer nude when I first rise and prepare to face the day before dressing to join the family for the day. Occasionally, if alone or at home only with my non-nudist daughter, I have the opportunity to go nude during the day indoors and/or outdoors but it’s a rarity.

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Re: A naturist or a nudist?

Postby Petros » Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:41 am

As I am a lover of the macaroons I had that morning in Cologne, or of a yoghourt [kos[ breakfast on the patio in the hills of Albania, or of stretching out on the grass on a warm day in the shadow of Mount Olympus. Who and what you are is more what you want and feel than what you get to do. A porn star spends more time naked than I do these days - without being nudist or naturist.
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Re: A naturist or a nudist?

Postby baresoul » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:18 pm

I might refer to others with the same preference as nudists, regardless of whether they individually speak of themselves as nudists or as naturists. Although definitions are given often how the meanings are distinct, the communication of the definitions don't agree what those exactly are. Some individuals are distinct for any of those various definitions. But there are many who are indistinguishable for having basis of the terms nudist or naturist. So what I am saying is that there seems to be a lack of an overall term that applies to these for the most part indistinguishable nudists and naturists, other than some as I do now just usually calling them all nudists.
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Re: A naturist or a nudist?

Postby RatherBSailin » Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:00 pm

I understand how the 2 words are frequently used interchangeably but they are distinct in my mind and the difference has to do with motivation. I don't go without clothing when possible in order to enjoy the company of other naked people - I'm not much of a social nudist in that regard. I go without clothes in order to be able to feel the sun and breeze, or the towel or the bed sheet on all of my skin. When I do that I feel more connected with my environment and I experience the world in a different, more integrated way. I especially enjoy that feeling when I'm outdoors, and when I'm sailing naked with the wind blowing, the sun or stars shining and the waves rippling off the bow, ... I just doesn't get better than that!. I don't care if I see others naked and, except for legal concerns, I don't care if I'm seen. For me it's really about a connection with my natural environment ... I'm a naturist.
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