Body Acceptance vs Encouraging Fitness

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Re: Body Acceptance vs Encouraging Fitness

Postby NudeDude92 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:52 pm

Here's an example with tonight's dinner:

A half pound venison burger patty, and a serving each of said steamed spinach and green beens, with a light buttering.

Yes, the venison is wild hunted meat.
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Re: Body Acceptance vs Encouraging Fitness

Postby RMOlson » Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:44 pm

NudeDude92,
That look pretty close to how I have been eating since 2011. I go a bit lighter on the fats but I was able to loose 195 pounds in thirteen months and keep it off. I also exercise 5- 6 days a week. I think I have a comparison picture in my album.
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Re: Body Acceptance vs Encouraging Fitness

Postby NudeDude92 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:55 pm

RMOlson wrote:NudeDude92,
That look pretty close to how I have been eating since 2011. I go a bit lighter on the fats but I was able to loose 195 pounds in thirteen months and keep it off. I also exercise 5- 6 days a week. I think I have a comparison picture in my album.


A commendable loss of weight RMOlson. The question I pose is how do we let ourselves get overweight/obese? I weigh 145 pounds currently, and because of some poor technique in lifting stuff at previous jobs I've messed up my joints. In spite of this, I manage to stay reasonably active through swimming and fishing in the summer, to hiking and hunting in the winter. My question is, is there not something fun that people can do that keeps them active enough to keep the weight down?

After asking that the thought occurred to me: We especially in the USA are addicted to sugar and sedentary lifestyles. It's compounded by addiction to screens and video games, and general lack of activity. We need to advocate more activity, somehow. We exemplify Newton's first Law of Motion: "An object tends to stay in it's current state of motion unless acted upon by an outside force" If that state of motion is none at all..... :hammock:
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Re: Body Acceptance vs Encouraging Fitness

Postby JimShedd112 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:08 am

NudeDude, you've pretty well nailed the cause for obesity. Add overeating and you've pretty well defined the formula for overweight/obesity.

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Re: Body Acceptance vs Encouraging Fitness

Postby RMOlson » Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:34 pm

I added weight each time I injured my self as an adult over about 19 years. Herniated disc add 60 pounds, Broken ankle 30 pounds, another back injury another 30 pounds, etc. Oh, got married add 15pounds, moved to an administration job add 20... Dr. Pepper was also a culprit, I drank A LOT of it. So for me it was many thing over many years. Now, at 48, I am in probably in better shape than in my mid to late 20’s.

Fun is in the experience of the doer... I have come to love resistance training, I wouldn’t call it fun necessarily but I crave that activity and make it a priority. Others may like runninhg (at this point nothing scares me enough to run from it, I’d rather stand and fight :biggrin: ) walking, swimming or yoga. I tell my clients to find that thing.
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Re: Body Acceptance vs Encouraging Fitness

Postby baresoul » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:38 pm

The fitness orientation is too visually focused. Doing things in the healrhy way is important, and I am all for that. But real body acceptance, critically important to nudism or naturism, or nakedism, is not compatible with the visual emphasis, about looking fit and healthy. I have much throughout my life that has worked against getting fit with a visual evidence, even while becoming more nudist in much of that life. I really don't have the capacity for all the exercise to do something for it now when what more I was doing for it before, when I could, was not at all enough. But I do all I can for healthiness, while there are constraints to some extent. I already choose eating in the established healthiest way, I see others miss what that is, and though how I breathe will limit me from doing much more I am a great walker, doing so in a more invigorating way than others, strengthening legs and feet, with having more power from that exercise. My point is still that this emphasis could be on doing what is possible for health and exercise, as I seek doing according to what I see, as opposed to emphasis on appearance, which I don't have for that, have not had fot that, and at this point will never have for that, knowing I fall short, though I take care of myself.
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Re: Body Acceptance vs Encouraging Fitness

Postby JimShedd112 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:38 pm

Baresoul, you're right. Appearance is not necessarily an indicator of healt/fitness. You're saying, due to breathing issues, you're not abler to vigorously exercise and it's okay. You realize your limitations and do what you can physically, enforced with good eating habits. I don't believe anyone here expects anything more from you. I, in the other hand, have allowed myself, for too long, to overeat and become sedentary which is evident in my appearance since I'm approximately 50 pounds overweight. Still, I'm okay with living nude when I can do so, even in a social setting.

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Re: Body Acceptance vs Encouraging Fitness

Postby RMOlson » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:35 am

I do not believe NudeDude92 or I ever expressed anything about the point of our fitness to be visually accepted. My photo overlay is strictly about the difference on an obese body and a healthier and “fitter” one. Even at my biggest (362#) I could and often did out hike/ backpack many younger healthier people. On top of that I was comfortable with my body and acccepted it.

My change was for one reason, the Father asked me a few questions, “Are you honoring me in the way you eat? Are you setting a good example for the young people you lead? Then, the Father expressed to me that I was to set an example in the way I live and meet people where they are in their health and fitness. My picture helps people I work with see that I came from a health and fitness place far worse than they and change can happen. They see a person that has struggled and worked in ways they struggle. When I work with them, I help set realistic and accomplishable expectations based on how they want to see their body change. I talk and counsel them about being able to accept their body in its current state, their desire to change it and their acceptance of it at every stage. Love it the way it is in the now.

I have no problem with people eating in different ways: vegetarian, omnivore or carnivore. God, the Father gave us molars, Canines and incisors so we can eat a variety of foods. Our intestinal tract processes grains proteins and fats from animals and plants. At the call did we all the sudden gain Canines and incisors and the ability to digest animal products ? Did we develop them after the fall? I do not think so. Many vegetarians come off militant, angry and or hurt when others do not follow their prescriptive diet.

I have had many vegetarian friends we choose different ways to eat and accept each other the way we are and the way we eat. When at their homes I eat what they serve and very often enjoy it. When they are at mine I accommodate them and I still have meat for my family.

Baresoul, I read through your posts and gain knowledge but, unfortunately, often I get the vibe of hostility, condemnation, hurt feelings and anger which clouds you message. I wish it were not so.
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Re: Body Acceptance vs Encouraging Fitness

Postby baresoul » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:48 pm

RMOlson wrote:I have had many vegetarian friends we choose different ways to eat and accept each other the way we are and the way we eat. When at their homes I eat what they serve and very often enjoy it. When they are at mine I accommodate them and I still have meat for my family.

Baresoul, I read through your posts and gain knowledge but, unfortunately, often I get the vibe of hostility, condemnation, hurt feelings and anger which clouds you message. I wish it were not so.


I think you are misreading my posts, I wish it weren't so. I may react when what I say is not understood, or if things I don't mean are read into what I say. But I am not judging anyone, and do not presume that position to do so. But I am showing information at opportunities I see for that, and the issues are real, and they are urgent. I get that response that this is judgmental, but what I share is not accepted so it is seen that way, when I still share that these things are true. And they are verifiable, I don't share information that isn't, so such shouldn't be dismissed as opinion.
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Re: Body Acceptance vs Encouraging Fitness

Postby Petros » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:34 am

I already choose eating in the established healthiest way


I am not into critiquing and arguing - but querying and discussing is the name of my game. So:
eating in the established healthiest way
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A, what is that?
B. is it healthiest for each individual - we are a various species?
C. In what sense is it established?
D. Who established it?
E. Where is it documented, explained, researched and compared?
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Re: Body Acceptance vs Encouraging Fitness

Postby baresoul » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:58 pm

baresoul wrote:
RMOlson wrote:Baresoul, I read through your posts and gain knowledge but, unfortunately, often I get the vibe of hostility, condemnation, hurt feelings and anger which clouds you message. I wish it were not so.


I think you are misreading my posts, I wish it weren't so. I may react when what I say is not understood, or if things I don't mean are read into what I say. But I am not judging anyone, and do not presume that position to do so. But I am showing information at opportunities I see for that, and the issues are real, and they are urgent. I get that response that this is judgmental, but what I share is not accepted so it is seen that way, when I still share that these things are true. And they are verifiable, I don't share information that isn't, so such shouldn't be dismissed as opinion.


Petros wrote:
I already choose eating in the established healthiest way


I am not into critiquing and arguing - but querying and discussing is the name of my game. So:
eating in the established healthiest way
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A, what is that?
B. is it healthiest for each individual - we are a various species?
C. In what sense is it established?
D. Who established it?
E. Where is it documented, explained, researched and compared?


See the following for answering A, B, and C. The studies are many, the China Study is the largest ever. Quoting is from The Forks Over Knives Plan, which I first copied at length by hand from the book, authored by doctors, not knowing where to find the text online. There are many conclusive studies behind this, and lives have been saved with it.

Americans are sick, tired, and overmedicated. Every fifty-three seconds someone in the United States dies of heart disease, which, as the nation's number one killer, claims about 600,000 lives per year. Cancer, now the second leading cause of death, takes the lives of more than 1500 people per day. Meanwhile, nearly 10 percent of the population has diabetes; and our children are getting sicker, as indicated by the startling fact that obesity has more than doubled in children and tripled in adolescents in the past thirty years. We have turned to the medical system for help, and it has delivered medication in a big way: Nearly 70 percent of Americans are on at least one prescription drug, more than 50 percent take two, and 20 percent are on five or more prescription drugs. Despite the billions of dollars being spent on pharmaceuticals, the needle almost never moves downward on the rates of chronic disease, and the people still feel lousy and sick.

Health statistics aren't just about numbers on a page or data on a statistician's ledger. These are our mothers, fathers, siblings, and children. These are our friends. The health crisis is taking a real toll on our daily lives, profoundly affecting the personal happiness and productivity of millions of us every single day.

There is good news, though. Research is revealing with greater certainty that we understand the main cause of this epidemic: an American diet that derives more than 90 percent of what we eat from animal-based and processed foods. Understanding the cause means there's hope! The research tells us that if we change to an entirely different way of eating, we can dramatically alter our health destiny.

Modern pioneers like T. Colin Cambell, PhD; Caldwell Esselstyn, MD; Dean Ornish, MD; John McDougall, MD; Neal Barnard, MD; and others are leading the charge. Thanks to these doctors and researchers, along with an emerging body of scientific evidence from all corners, we now know that a whole-food, plant-based diet is more powerful at preventing and treating chronic diseases than any medication or procedure. We are so convinced by the evidence that we believe if this diet came in a pill, it would be heralded on the front pages of newspapers and magazines around the world for its effectiveness.

There is a movement under way as hundreds of thousands of people, if not more, are trying the whole-food, plant-based lifestyle for themselves and finding great success. We have personally seen remarkable results in our own medical practice, not to mention experienced it in our own lives. Here are just a few of the significant life-changing results you may expect:

Prevent and reverse the leading chronic ailments. A whole-food, plant-based diet can prevent, halt, and even reverse heart disease and diabetes. Other diseases that are also positively impacted by this type of diet include: high cholesterol, high blood pressure, obesity, and overall mortality. Cancer is also significantly affected by this diet. In fact, the foods that make up this diet are the exact same foods that were recommended in the first "surviving cancer" dietary recommendations. There is also evidence that a plant-based diet may reduce the risk of diverticular disease, gallstones, rheumatoid arthritis, gout, and kidney disease. Furthermore, after switching to a plant-based diet, people routinely report experiencing or seeing in others improvements in a range of ailments, including osteoporosis, arthritis, headaches, acne, asthma, sexual dysfunction, reflux, lupus, inflammatory bowel disease, constipation, irritable bowel syndrome, dementia, Alzheimer's, multiple sclerosis, infertility, insomnia, and sleep apnea. They even find themselves experiencing fewer or less intense colds, viruses, and allergies.

Reach your ideal weight. Our friend Doug Lisle likes to point out that humans and their domesticated pets are the only earthly creatures that suffer from being overweight and obese ... in spite of the fact that we're also the only creatures who practice portion control! Why is this the case? It's simple. All the other animals on earth are eating foods that are appropriate for their species. If we also eat foods that are appropriate for our species -- whole, plant-based foods -- then we, too, will be able to eat without portion control and will naturally reach a comfortable weight.

Improve mental clarity Eating a whole-food, plant-based diet improves cognitive function and protects against dementia and Alzheimer's disease. Most people experience greater clarity of thought, improved ability to concentrate, and better memory.

Experience only positive effects, not "side effects". Perhaps you would choose to transition to a plant-based diet to reverse heart disease or reduce your diabetes medications, but now you could see that you would welcome into your life an abundance of positive effects. These can include better mood, sounder sleep, improved bowel function, and more vibrant skin. You will have more energy to do the things you love, like playing with your children or grandchildren, biking, gardening, walking, swimming. You may even want to exercise more. By contrast, as we'll discuss more, medical procedures and medications can have all sorts of major unintended negative consequences.

Have a sense of well-being and empowerment. You are in control of your health. You do not have to settle for compromised health or believe that you are destined to succumb to chronic disease. You can live with less fear that a heart attack can happen at any time or that you will be struck by the same chronic ailment from which other members of your family have suffered.

Save time and money. Whether you have health insurance or not, you will likely have to pay out of pocket for at least some of your health care expenses if you are sick. Fewer trips to the doctor and fewer procedures and pills equal more time and money you can spend in other areas of your life.

The Forks Over Knives Plan, pages 15-18.

See also http://www.forksoverknives.com for enjoyable effective ways to change to such living that is healthier, besides the book.
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Re: Body Acceptance vs Encouraging Fitness

Postby Petros » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:21 am

I will say only: as scholar and [correct sense] skeptic, I know research and researchers rather well.

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Re: Body Acceptance vs Encouraging Fitness

Postby NudeDude92 » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:34 am

Petros wrote:I will say only: as scholar and [correct sense] skeptic, I know research and researchers rather well.

For every reliable conclusion, there is an equally meritorious opposite conclusion.


Unfortunately, this seems to be all too true. One thing that seems to be absolute is that the more we learn about the human body and how it functions, the more we find we have yet to learn. Diet, environment, activity level, genetics, all seem to play a role, and now it seems like it's a "one size fits one and only one" kind of deal. For example, my diet has been mostly omnivorous coupled with a steady level of moderate activity all day long. This has resulted in me staying 145 lbs all my life. On the other hand, my wife on the same diet with similar activity gained extra weight that she doesn't want or need. So some people might thrive on a plant-based diet, others (like me) more a fresh animal protein and greens diet works. The only thing I've seen that is completely true for the both of us is that sugars have been unkind to our bodies.

My conclusion is each individual needs to find out how their biology is affected by diet and exercise, and therefore the best they can take care of the only body God gives them on this side of eternity.

By the way, I do agree with the authors of the book cited by BareSoul. Processed food is just unhealthy. We've come to find out that the closer to fresh a food is, the healthier it tends to be. As such, the only real reason I buy hotdogs is so I can catch some fresh fish.
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Re: Body Acceptance vs Encouraging Fitness

Postby New_Adventurer » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:18 am

Petros wrote:
I will say only: as scholar and [correct sense] skeptic, I know research and researchers rather well.

For every reliable conclusion, there is an equally meritorious opposite conclusion.

And of course, every scholar concludes with the statement that further research is necessary.
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Re: Body Acceptance vs Encouraging Fitness

Postby Petros » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:21 am

That is why we give the funding agency a copy.

There is also the repeated claim in every peer reviewed journal that the journal favored by them other peer reviewers has it all wrong.
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