Leonardo da Vinci reportedly painted 'nude mona Lisa'

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Leonardo da Vinci reportedly painted 'nude mona Lisa'

Postby Maverick » Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:58 am

Saw this this morning, thought it'd be an interesting item of discussion.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4930146/Leonardo-da-Vinci-painted-NUDE-Mona-Lisa.html

Is this the Mona Lisa NUDE? Louvre experts believe Leonardo da Vinci drew naked version after studying 'remarkably similar' charcoal sketch

Leonardo da Vinci drew a nude version of the Mona Lisa, art experts claim
Believe he created 'at least part' of a charcoal drawing called Monna Vanna
The drawing dates from Leonardo's lifetime at the turn of the 15th century


Leonardo da Vinci drew a nude version of the Mona Lisa, art experts sensationally claimed today.

After months of rigorous testing, experts at the Louvre said the Renaissance artist created 'at least part' of a charcoal drawing called the Monna Vanna which is attributed to his studio.

The bombshell revelation comes after 500 years of speculation that da Vinci made copies and other versions of the most famous painting in the world.



The Monna Vanna has been held since 1862 in the huge collection of Renaissance art at the Conde Museum at the palace of Chantilly, north of Paris.

'The drawing has a quality in the way the face and hands are rendered that is truly remarkable,' curator Mathieu Deldicque told the Figaro daily.

'It is almost certainly a preparatory work for an oil painting,' he added, suggesting it is closely connected to the Mona Lisa.

The hands and body are almost identical to Leonardo's inscrutable masterpiece, Deldicque said.

The drawing is almost the same size as the Mona Lisa and small holes pierced around the figure point to the fact it may have been used to trace its form onto a canvas, he argued.

Louvre conservation expert Bruno Mottin confirmed that the drawing dates from Leonardo's lifetime at the turn of the 15th century.

He told the Parisien newspaper that tests had already revealed that it was not a copy of a lost original.

He said that 'we must remain prudent' about definitively attributing it to Leonardo, who died in France in 1519.

'The hatching on the top of the drawing near the head was done by a right-handed person. Leonardo drew with his left hand,' he said.

Officially attributing the painting to da Vinci 'is job that is going to take some time,' he added. 'It is a very difficult drawing to work on because it is particularly fragile.'

But Mottin said experts hoped to pin down the identity of the artist within two years, in time for an exhibition at Chantilly to celebrate the 500th anniversary of Leonardo da Vinci's death.

More than 10 experts have been poring over the drawing in the basement of the Louvre for the past few weeks, using a variety of scans and other scientific methods.

Their investigations have centred on working out if the drawing was made before or after the Mona Lisa, which was painted sometime after 1503.

The Chantilly drawing had originally been attributed to the Tuscan master when it was bought by the Duc d'Aumale in 1862 for 7,000 francs, a substantial sum at the time.

But later specialists had their doubts and thought it more likely that it came from a member of the artist's studio.

Around 20 paintings and drawings of nude Mona Lisas exist in collections across the world but most have proved very difficult to date.
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Re: Leonardo da Vinci reportedly painted 'nude mona Lisa'

Postby naturaldon » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:42 pm

I'm no art expert, so here I go. The arms on the charcoal sketch are very masculine looking. And the hair is radically different. Hands and facial features change according to an artist's interpretation for the day and setting so I really can't say much about that. I shouldn't say anything because unless one has his hands on the real deal artwork, he can't learn about the physical features of the canvas, paint, etc. (And, If I might be so bold to say this, the breasts on the charcoal sketch look "unnatural.")

But the article makes a great case for it.
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Re: Leonardo da Vinci reportedly painted 'nude mona Lisa'

Postby Maverick » Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:52 pm

naturaldon wrote:I'm no art expert, so here I go. The arms on the charcoal sketch are very masculine looking. And the hair is radically different. Hands and facial features change according to an artist's interpretation for the day and setting so I really can't say much about that. I shouldn't say anything because unless one has his hands on the real deal artwork, he can't learn about the physical features of the canvas, paint, etc. (And, If I might be so bold to say this, the breasts on the charcoal sketch look "unnatural.")


Good eye! I agree with everything you noted, but will point out that the hands in both paintings both look feminine (to me) and are similarly positioned/posed, especially the right hand, including finger positioning (although the index and middle fingers are closer together in the sketch). It wouldn't surprise me if this was an early sketch from Signor da Vinci as he mastered his artistry, maybe before he knew more about the female anatomy. :lol: :roll:

Or, perhaps it is a sketch by an aspiring artist, inspired by the Mona Lisa, who also wasn't too familiar with female anatomy. :mrgreen:
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Re: Leonardo da Vinci reportedly painted 'nude mona Lisa'

Postby nudie66 » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:42 pm

When I was younger, I heard rumors that the "Mona Lisa" itself was painted as a nude, but that clothing was added as another layer of paint shortly after.
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