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This Site as a Spam site.

Postby Bare_Truth » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:55 am

For the last several days I have not been receiving notifications about new posts on strips that I have been monitoring.

My Internet Service Provider is TDS telecom. They use Google mail as their way to handle e-mail. Every so often I go to the google mail site via the tds site and purge out all records of mail because i do not like any SOB (Stupid Overbearing Bureaucracy) keeping records of my communications. While purging all the recorded e-mails, I found that Naturist Christians site and Christian Naturist Villiage e-mails were routed to the Google mail spam list and not forwarded to me. After deleting all the real spam from the list I then marked all those from CN and CNV as not spam. But how did that miserable gmail site put them on the spam list. The gmail site is clumsy and I could not find an explanation nor did I find a white list feature. Has anyone got any answers or advice about this?

TDS actually had a pretty good e-mail capability until they hooked up with google mail.
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Re: This Site as a Spam site.

Postby jochanaan » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:01 am

I've had the same problem with my own email service. Even when I mark an address as legitimate email, my email service sometimes reverts to marking it as spam. Don't know any way to guarantee otherwise...
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Re: This Site as a Spam site.

Postby natman » Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:40 pm

More than likely, they are getting routed as spam because they contain the word "naturist" in their URL address or in their meta tags. Unfortunately, 95% of all "naturist" sites are nothing more than porn sites, and so we get lumped in with them. :argh:
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Re: This Site as a Spam site.

Postby Bare_Truth » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:35 pm

My probing the problem on the TDS/G-MAIL site said that if a particular site is being blocked as spam it is because they use spam lists prepared by others and that to get your blocked site unlisted that you need to follow some specific directions that you have somehow received.

Be that as it may, having now designated this site and NC as not spam I am now receiving updates from this site once again.

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Re: This Site as a Spam site.

Postby natman » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:36 am

As the new owner and administrator for both sites over the past couple years, I can emphatically state that neither site send out spam emails and never have. And we rarely ever send out mass emails to our members.
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Re: This Site as a Spam site.

Postby pipermac » Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:57 pm

I was wondering why I wasn't getting any notifications. Everything was going to the spam box. Gmail has some serious problems.
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Re: This Site as a Spam site.

Postby Bare_Truth » Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:10 pm

natman wrote:As the new owner and administrator for both sites ....

Uhhh. I thought Bill Martin was owner of Naturist Christians ???? Or at least his corporation was. I was not aware that you "Owned" both sites. But by "own" do you mean anything different than than that both URL's are registered to your name? as opposed to some club or organization or corporation? Not that technicalities should matter all that much as both sites are well run and maintained and we are appreciative of the time and effort that you put to that task. I have been the "webservant" of a church site before and I know how much labor and time that can take.

I think it would be of interest to see a breakdown of who is serving in what capacities I suspect that there are several whose service is being under appreciated, and they deserve our thanks, respect and prayers. I don't suppose there is an organization chart is there?

Thank you for your service.

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Re: This Site as a Spam site.

Postby natman » Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:16 am

Bare_Truth wrote:Uhhh. I thought Bill Martin was owner of Naturist Christians ???? Or at least his corporation was. I was not aware that you "Owned" both sites. But by "own" do you mean anything different than than that both URL's are registered to your name? as opposed to some club or organization or corporation?


Due to his declining health, Bill Martin has allowed me to take ownership of NC. I now own the domain names and hosting sites of both sites.

Bare_Truth wrote:Not that technicalities should matter all that much as both sites are well run and maintained and we are appreciative of the time and effort that you put to that task. I have been the "webservant" of a church site before and I know how much labor and time that can take.

I think it would be of interest to see a breakdown of who is serving in what capacities I suspect that there are several whose service is being under appreciated, and they deserve our thanks, respect and prayers. I don't suppose there is an organization chart is there?

Thank you for your service.


Thanks Bare_Truth.

I put several hours per week into managing both sites (among several others not related to naturism), trying to keep the sites safe, appropriate and interesting. Right now the "Teams" are minimal. Many of the Moderators have moved on or have very busy lives that they do not visit any more. Jude is the photo moderator on NC and Johannan is an active moderator in many of the forums on both sites. I am definitely open for more "proven" team members and to ways to make the sites more interesting.

Fortunately, since I/we implemented spambot deterrent registration techniques, we have not had too many issues with unwanted traffic. However, I still monitor each new registrant to make sure that no spambots or miscreants slip under the wire. It also seems that MOST people who register on either site are pretty congenial and not looking for trouble. I have only had to actually ban a couple of people in the many years I have worked as administrator and moderator for both sites.

I still have a few issues, particularly with this site, since the move to new hosting, which included a necessary and unavoidable database upgrade.


Back to the issue of our emails going to spam. One of the other sites that I manage has nothing to do with naturism, but has the word "sports" in it's URL. They have a sister site that is almost identical but does not have the word "sports" in it's URL. The "sports" site is constantly troubled with having it's emails sent to spam. I found that the word "sports" is one of the words that are used to draw peoples attentions and so it is one of the words that flags a URL as spam, and there appears to be nothing I can do about it. :( The company that owns the site does not want to change their URL.
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Re: This Site as a Spam site.

Postby Ramblinman » Tue Jul 01, 2014 8:09 am

natman wrote:[The company that owns the site does not want to change their URL.

Then don't change the URL, just change the email address.
I have seen many sites where their email address is not a letter for letter match of the URL for the site! :mrgreen:
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Re: This Site as a Spam site.

Postby natman » Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:00 pm

Ramblinman wrote:
natman wrote:[The company that owns the site does not want to change their URL.

Then don't change the URL, just change the email address.
I have seen many sites where their email address is not a letter for letter match of the URL for the site! :mrgreen:


They won't let me. :(
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Re: This Site as a Spam site.

Postby Bare_Truth » Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:26 pm

natman wrote:
Ramblinman wrote:
natman wrote:[The company that owns the site does not want to change their URL.

Then don't change the URL, just change the email address.
I have seen many sites where their email address is not a letter for letter match of the URL for the site! :mrgreen:


They won't let me. :(


So what I saw on the g-mail site was that there was a procedure for getting unlisted as a spam site, have you ever contacted them. If the procedure takes you back to the originator of the "block list" maybe you could clear up the problem. Personally I would think that the perveyors of the blocking lists should be subject to civil $uit$ for defamation of character. or the like.
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Re: This Site as a Spam site.

Postby MoNatureMan » Wed Jul 02, 2014 2:15 am

There is an old trick that sometimes works.
Try to put the email adr that was spammed into your webmail adr book or contact list (which ever your email provider calls it).
Sometimes helps - sometimes not. Seems to depend upon if they are looking at the IP adr or email adr of originator to call it spam.i

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