Is it supportable exegesis

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Re: Is it supportable exegesis

Postby jochanaan » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:04 pm

The key concept here is entitlement. Shechem, David and Ammon felt they were entitled to follow the "lust of the flesh" (for lack of a better phrase). Many Muslim men may feel entitled to exercise what they believe is Allah's judgment against "whores." (Note all the qualifiers!) But God says "Vengeance is Mine; I will repay." We absolutely are not entitled to exercise our violent desires on any other person whatever s/he is or isn't wearing or doing.
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Re: Is it supportable exegesis

Postby Quitosam » Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:53 am

During a Bible study one evening some friends and I came up with this: actions do not determine destination, destination should determine actions.

No amount of rules governing actions (the modesty culture) is going to affect the heart, as has already been said here as a man thinketh in his heart so is he. I Romans 13:10 Paul says "Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."(KJV) In 1 Corinthians 13 Paul lists a number of good things to do but without love they mean nothing.

I am convinced that the first and greatest commandment (Matt 22:37 and others) must be the foundation for the christian life. The second most important commandment (also in Matt 22) builds on that foundation. If we love God like the command says and love "that" pretty woman as we love ourselves lust will not be an issue. The rub is at least for me, while I do not have a serious problem with lust, I am not sure my foundation is very strong.
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Re: Is it supportable exegesis

Postby balaam » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:48 am

Lustful intent? Isn't intent the main word here. Just seeing someone naked isn't what makes glances lustful, it is what you do with it.

But I cannot see the connection with nudity here. This may be just me, but I am just as capable of lusting after a clothed woman as I am a naked one, sinner that I am.
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Re: Is it supportable exegesis

Postby Petros » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:00 am

Given that for a good few millennia most women in most cultures most of the time are clothed when encountered, lust would be seriously handicapped if nudity were requisite.
The truth, the stark naked truth, the truth without so much as a loincloth on, should surely be the investigator's sole aim - Basil Chamberlain
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Re: Is it supportable exegesis

Postby OzTech » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:58 pm

I suspect that society's reaction to nudity is largely culturally based. English culture (in reaction to the immorality prior to the reign of Queen Victoria) has largely shied away from any thing they perceived might encourage such activity... you know... like... public nakedness. We then see within the movie industry, perhaps largely from America, a sexual association with nudity. Australia was established as a British colony so we get their 'morality' within our laws but we also get the American TV shows and movies so we tend to take on their culture as well. America also was established from British colonisation so it would have a large portion of Britain's attitudes towards nakedness. Many of the European countries seem less influenced by Anglo/American culture.
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