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Re: The Christian Naturist response

Postby Maverick » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:15 pm

naturaldon wrote:I see "freedom" in quotation marks. I think Mav is simply pointing out that people think they have sexual "freedom," which, of course is subjective. Everyone's degree of sexual "freedom" is measured differently, and that for millennia as has been pointed out.

I have sexual freedom (not in quotes) with my one and only wife. No others pop into my mind or heart, and this under the Lordship of Christ in our lives. Others, without Christ, have sexual "freedom" under the lordship of the world, perhaps.

But all in all, I know that we all agree here that harassment and "freedom" are not of the Kingdom. Good men reject these and greater and nobler men rise to fight these. And we are the latter men, here in the village.


Pretty much what my thoughts were. :like:

dv8: By the word "today," I meant compared to, say, centuries ago in America. I also noted that it's nothing new, but is evidently more rampant in our far more Godless 21st-century society. Formerly, at least in our country, sexual immorality was looked down upon by and large if not outlawed, but today it is the "new normal" and celebrated as "sexual freedom." Maybe also in decades past men harassed women less (I don't have stats, just going off of what I've heard from those older than me) because they might find themselves at the wrong end of a gun barrel held by the woman's father/brother/boyfriend/husband. I could be wrong, though, and if I am please correct me.

I do agree with your thoughts that it's driven by a sense of entitlement.
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Re: The Christian Naturist response

Postby JimShedd112 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:40 pm

I can't speak from experience, except what i heard while growing up but the term "shotgun wedding" was pretty common when I was a youngster and girls "went away" to have illegitimate children.

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Re: The Christian Naturist response

Postby jdb » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:15 pm

Maverick starts this out by saying
men are out to conquer women
. God tells men to conquer, subdue, have dominion. That is never any clearer than in relationship to our wives. To win her heart is the biggest and most rewarding challenge men can have.
Exodus 22:16, If a man entice a maid that is not betrothed. Entice, win her heart.... Capture her. Not by forcing her, that's despicable.
And to think we are aiding politians, with a slush fund or aiding anyone else tells me these men are not men of honor but barbarians.

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Re: The Christian Naturist response

Postby balaam » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:03 pm

jdb wrote:Maverick starts this out by saying
men are out to conquer women
. God tells men to conquer, subdue, have dominion.
Does it say that?

Straight after saying:
male and female created he them

God says:
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


Notice God is talking to them. God is not talking to just men, but to the man and woman. There is no having dominion over women here.
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Re: The Christian Naturist response

Postby naturaldon » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:56 pm

Just to be clear here, I think Maverick is citing the "both sides" of the side that excuses away the treatment of women, that is, one of the bad guys says men are out to conquer women and the other bad guy says women are asking for it. I noticed that Mav qualified the behavior of noble men, like here in the Village, when he said right after that, "...but I think we tend to be more well-reasoned than how most men are stereotyped." His context is accurate.

Also just to be clear again, the quote in the previous response looks like Mav said, "God tells men to conquer, subdue, have dominion." He didn't. I myself am still learning the fine art of how to quote my fine friends here in the Village and how to read the quotes, so I am partially at fault in looking at that quote box and saying, "Huh?" :)

Balaam, you are right in the context of God telling man, which equals male and female. Yet I still lean a bit on the man holding the higher office over women. My wife and I are equal but ultimately, leadership is up to me in our marriage, with my wife contributing her womanly and Godly wisdom to our life together. As for the church, I have had to sort out more problems created by women as a result of their having exercised authority where they shouldn't have. I've found myself leaning more right in this issue but I do not dominate or act any other way than the way Jesus - or Paul - treated women (at least I try). This is probably another subject altogether from what Mav started. :mrgreen:
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Re: The Christian Naturist response

Postby dv8 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:35 pm

Maverick wrote:....dv8: By the word "today," I meant compared to, say, centuries ago in America. I also noted that it's nothing new, but is evidently more rampant in our far more Godless 21st-century society. Formerly, at least in our country, sexual immorality was looked down upon by and large if not outlawed, but today it is the "new normal" and celebrated as "sexual freedom." Maybe also in decades past men harassed women less (I don't have stats, just going off of what I've heard from those older than me) because they might find themselves at the wrong end of a gun barrel held by the woman's father/brother/boyfriend/husband. I could be wrong, though, and if I am please correct me.

I do agree with your thoughts that it's driven by a sense of entitlement.
I see your point more clearly - that the sense of moral behavior was previously more dominant in our culture,

Funnily enough, though, even as we are moving toward a more and more "Godless," amoral society, Our culture's sense of individual rights has arguably increased, so that the egregious behavior in question is no more acceptable today in any sector than it ever has been. If only we could benefit from both a more compassionate care for the individual AND a greater faith in the gospel of Truth!
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