"Body in Mind" against naturism

[natman]

I found this article while researching information on family nudism and thought it interesting that a site committed to beautiful nude women would take this position AGAINST NATURISM. Precisely why I do not advocate these kinds of sites or magazines.

From "Body in Mind"
Our position on nudism/naturism
[LINK TO ARTICLE]

We receive many emails asking what we think of nudism or as it's called today: naturism. The truth is, we're not fans of any 'ism', since an ism is an excuse to hide behind thinking done by someone else, and we advocate independent thinking. In fact, we believe female beauty is put on earth to inspire thought, put here by nature. We don't believe human beings are meant to go around naked since our bodies are not built for it. It is only the comforts and easy lifestyles made possible by modern technology that allows people to go around nude. Can you imagine chasing animals through woods without shoes, shirt or leggings? This is why tribal humans are never nude. Nature won't allow it. So it's hypocritical to claim nudity is natural. We say, if you like being nude then do it because you like it. You don't need any other reason. For example, we are huge fans of female beauty, and if beautiful women like Nika want to go naked all the time we're all for it. But for ourselves, while we love being nude in the sun and wind - who doesn't - we wouldn't dream of forcing others to look at us. Bottom line (so to speak): We think it's silly to take off your clothes and then clothe yourself in 'nature'. If you want to be fully nude, be honest, be naked in spirit as well. Do it because it's fun or beautiful. Don't hide behind an ism.


I corrected the link on July 15, 2008

[jochanaan]

From "Body in Mind"
Our position on nudism/naturism
[LINK TO ARTICLE]
...This is why tribal humans are never nude.

Do your homework, article writers! Tribal humans are a lot nuder in their daily lives than most Euro-Americans.

If you want to be fully nude, be honest, be naked in spirit as well. Do it because it's fun or beautiful. Don't hide behind an ism.

Who's hiding?

These guys need to take a few lessons from Eolake Stobblehouse, founder of DOMAI, who has said many postive things about naturism.

[Strandloper]

Hi, Jochanaan and Nathan –
the creed of beauty promoted in Body in Mind and in SuperBeauty, to which it primarily links, is a highly sexualised and ageist one, as is made obvious in their vicious attack on the Dove advert.
I saw it yesterday in SuperBeauty, and today it is featured in Body in Mind.
The review is a disgusting put-down of older women, insisting that it is exceedingly ugly.
The giveaway quote is this one: “People who look at a saggy sixty-year old and think ‘sex’ are the ones that have to ‘pull back from using sexual imagery’ to sell their brand of morality.”
It is precisely because they are focused on sex (and simultaneously on “youthful perfection”) themselves that they are unable to see the beauty of older women, whether nude or clothed.
They claim to be fighting for beauty, but all they are really interested in is sexual exploitation.
The real battle for beauty – the beauty of the human spirit, created by God, as revealed in naturist recreation – is being waged right here on Christian naturist websites.
Shalom,
Strandloper

[Jon-Marc]

Some women are like cheese and fine wine--they get better with age. I've personally known women who definitely got better looking as they aged. I knew a lady who was not at all attractive as a teen (I'm being polite here) but definitely was as a woman in her 30's and older.

[scurtis]

Some women are like cheese and fine wine--they get better with age. I've personally known women who definitely got better looking as they aged. I knew a lady who was not at all attractive as a teen (I'm being polite here) but definitely was as a woman in her 30's and older.

I can think of a few like that, one in particular whose beauty is all on the outside and none on the inside. Her beauty is there but her attractiveness is lost.

[Jon-Marc]

Unfortunately, while a person can be beautiful on the outside, the old addage "Beauty is only skin deep" is very true. That beauty too often doesn't reach inside them, and they are ugly and mean inside. I have seen some people who were quite homely on the outside (to put it politely), but they were beautiful inside where it really matters (or it should). People look on the outside and prize outward beauty very highly, but God sees the inside and knows our hearts and minds and prizes the inward beauty even more highly.

[Strandloper]

Amen to that, Jon-Marc.

Of course the point I was making was in reference to photographs, which often have little to tell about the inner self. But a great deal can be conveyed by a smile or a gracious expression.
Shalom,
Strandloper

[natman]

the creed of beauty promoted in Body in Mind and in SuperBeauty, to which it primarily links, is a highly sexualised and ageist one, as is made obvious in their vicious attack on the Dove advert.
I saw it yesterday in SuperBeauty, and today it is featured in Body in Mind.

Do you have a link to the articles? They would be a good addition to this thread.

It is sad to think that a woman (or a man) is no longer attractive because they have a few lines and wrinkles here and there. Those distinctions are the marks of a life lived, either joyfully, or sorrowfully.

I myself am most attracted to joyful people than to merely "good" looking people and have known a few "beautiful" women who actually made me want to wretch in their presence.

[Strandloper]

Hi, Nathan –
they seem to change their featured articles from day to day. The first time I followed your link, I found the article you were referring to. When I went back the following day, the piece on the Dove advert was featured.
The link to Superbeauty is quite prominent on the Body in Mind front page.
Shalom,
Strandloper

[JWD]

I found thier articles on being nude very confusing. But only for the "perfect" model it is acceptable where ever.

[Ramblinman]

Tribal humans never nude?
This guy is speaking from his ignorance. In the tropics there remain a few tribes that are profoundly naked their entire lives. They hunt and fish in the nude. And no they don't chase animals through the woods. That's a city boy's imagination at work. Men in the wild capture prey by traps, snares, lures, calls and stealth.

Here in the southern USA, I am well north of the tropics, but outdoor nudity is possible on mild sunny days every month of the year. For five or six months of the year, I can be quite comfortable spending the entire day in the woods, totally nude.
I spend my time exploring the creeks and feasting on berries and wild herbs.
Last week, a summer shower caught me by surprise on a remote trail. The rain was refreshing in the 90 degree heat. The water rolled right off my back and I was dry within minutes and not chilled in the slightest. I would have been chilled had I been wearing clothes.

The human body is splendidly adapted for nude living in forest and field in the warmer months here in the temperate zone.

Not long ago, I went just a few miles south of the Tropic of Cancer and enjoyed an afternoon of skinny dipping in the ocean. It was in January. The ocean felt delightful and the sun and wind dried me just a few minutes after I emerged from the sea.

In pre-Columbian times, people in Tierra del Fuego, (the southernmost finger of Chile a short hop from Antarctica) lived their entire lives in the nude, except for the waterproof robes they draped over their shoulders in the coldest weather.

About a century ago, E.M. Forster wrote a marvelous short story entitled, "The Machine Stops". It described the lives of people in a nightmarish future we hope will never come to pass. Here's a quote from "Kuno", the lead character:

I felt that humanity existed, and that it existed without clothes. How can I possibly explain this? It was naked, humanity seemed naked, and all these tubes and buttons and machineries neither came into the world with us, nor will they follow us out, nor do they matter supremely while we are here. Had I been strong, I would have torn off every garment I had, and gone out into the outer air unswaddled. But this is not for me, nor perhaps for my generation. I climbed with my respirator and my hygienic clothes and my dietetic tabloids! Better thus than not at all.

In Kuno's time, a future we hope will never occur, the human body had grown soft and weak from urban life. Most of us still have a chance to tear off our clothes and go back to the woods and meadows where we belong. But Kuno seems to be urging us to "come as you are" and meet nature and one another as best we can.

[Larryk1052]

From "Body in Mind"
Our position on nudism/naturism
[LINK TO ARTICLE]

. In fact, we believe female beauty is put on earth to inspire thought, put here by nature. . . For example, we are huge fans of female beauty, and if beautiful women like Nika want to go naked all the time we're all for it. [/quote]

I pulled the above two sentences out of the quote. I think they make it clear that looking at beautiful naked women is what they are about. He also shows total ignorance of tribal nakedness and what nudism and/or naturism is all about.

[pugiofidei]

I just read a few articles on that site and quickly lost interest. The writing seems to be mostly ego-driven.