Straight Talk: Parents nude behavior bothers sisters

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Re: Straight Talk: Parents nude behavior bothers sisters

Postby Bobby » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:54 am

Thank you, natman, for starting thread. I was contemplating what to do if one's children want their parents to cover up. The consensus seems to be to continue in the way you raised your children and not allow them to dictate to you the standard of (un)dress in the home.


What happens in the case when the mother is tolerant of the only (casual) nude person in the home (i.e. the father) and the children who were raised with their father's (casual) nudity wants him to cover up?
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Re: Straight Talk: Parents nude behavior bothers sisters

Postby Petros » Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:41 am

Ay de mi.

On higher orbits - all very well, but some of us have noted that in North America [let alone Europe] it is harder and harder to find places to live where neighbours will not call in the authorities if you put out your trash in the wrong kind of can or teach your young something not endorsed by the system. And the state more and more believes in finding out what the children are doing and telling them not to.

As for what to do in the family, it is a fairly well established rule of living in community, whether it be downtown Podunk, or your own family, that you do not insist on others changuing their behavior unless you really need to, and you do not insist on your own way if it really negatively affects others.

Me, much as I would like to spend a LOT more nude time, I am careful not to impose my nudity on my very sensitive wife, and avoid walking in on her when she is changing. She - for whatever reason - needs textiles far more than I require naked skin.
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Re: Straight Talk: Parents nude behavior bothers sisters

Postby Bare_Truth » Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:55 pm

Petros wrote:Ay de mi.

On higher orbits - all very well, but some of us have noted that in North America [let alone Europe] it is harder and harder to find places to live where neighbours will not call in the authorities if you put out your trash in the wrong kind of can or teach your young something not endorsed by the system. And the state more and more believes in finding out what the children are doing and telling them not to.

Worse yet is when the state asks the children what you are doing and then claims a right to intervene. Hence one of the benefits of home schooling. But this is nothing new. When I was a child, at about age 2 my parents moved from Chicago to a small rural town in Michigan. My parents urban values of privacy were at odds with the rural small town values where "everybody knows everybody". I still remember my mother instructing us children about family privacy and not sharing everything about our family life with just anybody and especially teachers or other authority figures. Our family was still not "small town assimilated" when I left for college. Our family was definitely not naturist, I can only imagine how such a thing would have scandalized the town back then. The difference then vs. now is that had my parents been "nudists"
Then: they would have been horrible sinners
Now:
I suspect that they would have been viewed as probable paedophiles or child abusers or pornographers.
Of course now "Child Protective Services or Welfare" have draconian powers to invade search and seize children in a preemptive manner. coach and manipulate their testimony. (e.g. Mc Martin Pre-school et al.).
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Re: Straight Talk: Parents nude behavior bothers sisters

Postby Petros » Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:38 pm

Ah, yes.


When I visited Albania, I had a chance to talk to the reinstated priest at a church only recently reconverted from a gymnasium - a nice chat with a bible story class for young children going on in the background, which was a huge leap for what had been a violently atheist nation.



He told us how in the day he had buried the service books and bibles [now back in use] and how everybody had to be very careful to say NOTHING in front of the children, because one word caught by a teacher and they would have been for it.



My episode did not involve a death sentence or hard labor, and I was not even dismissed - though I was strongly warned to censor my speech - when a student mentined in a paper for another course something I had said [with distortions] and the instructor of that course went running to the administration.



We were always in midsized cities - university towns - but you are not much freer there than in the country to say or do or be anything but the norm.
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Re: Straight Talk: Parents nude behavior bothers sisters

Postby Ramblinman » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:12 am

I thought Albania was a Muslim nation. I am surprised to learn that any of them are Christian.
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Re: Straight Talk: Parents nude behavior bothers sisters

Postby Bare_Truth » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:40 pm

Ramblinman wrote:I thought Albania was a Muslim nation. I am surprised to learn that any of them are Christian.
Ramblingman:
I was going to comment on the same thing but you beat me to it. Aparantly Albania was officially Islamic then atheist and now secular in government but as to religion:

Data from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Albania

In 1967, religious practices were officially banned in Albania, making the country the first and only constitutionally atheist state to ever exist. After the fall of state communism, in 1991 religious activities resumed.

In Albania, there is a mixture of various religious traditions and pagan traditions coming from time before Christianity.
2011 Census data
-- 56.7% Islam,
-- 10.03% Roman Catholic,
-- 6.75% Albanian Orthodox,[1]
-- 0.14% Protestant/Evangelical
-- -- 17.19% Aggregate of Christian sects
-- 5.49% Unaffiliated,
-- 2.5% Atheist,
-- 2.09% Bektashi,
-- 16.03% uncatagorized.

[1]The Orthodox percentage reported might be lower than the actual value due to boycotts of the 2011 census, but also because the census staff failed to contact a huge number of people in the south which is traditionally an Orthodox stronghold.

Interestingly religion survived 24 years of communist atheism. Not surprising, Poland was also a case of religion doing very well under oppression. Human belief under any particular oppression seems to thrive. This is perhaps because it weeds out those who are not really committed, thereby purifying the the body of believers. However it may be necessary that the belief must produce some significant benefit as many pagan belief systems have not necessarily faired so well.
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Re: Straight Talk: Parents nude behavior bothers sisters

Postby bn2bnude » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:48 pm

Bare_Truth wrote:
Ramblinman wrote:I thought Albania was a Muslim nation. I am surprised to learn that any of them are Christian.
Ramblingman:
I was going to comment on the same thing but you beat me to it. Aparantly Albania was officially Islamic then atheist and now secular in government but as to religion:

Data from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Albania

In 1967, religious practices were officially banned in Albania, making the country the first and only constitutionally atheist state to ever exist. After the fall of state communism, in 1991 religious activities resumed.

In Albania, there is a mixture of various religious traditions and pagan traditions coming from time before Christianity.
2011 Census data
-- 56.7% Islam,
-- 10.03% Roman Catholic,
-- 6.75% Albanian Orthodox,[1]
-- 0.14% Protestant/Evangelical
-- -- 17.19% Aggregate of Christian sects
-- 5.49% Unaffiliated,
-- 2.5% Atheist,
-- 2.09% Bektashi,
-- 16.03% uncatagorized.

[1]The Orthodox percentage reported might be lower than the actual value due to boycotts of the 2011 census, but also because the census staff failed to contact a huge number of people in the south which is traditionally an Orthodox stronghold.

Interestingly religion survived 24 years of communist atheism. Not surprising, Poland was also a case of religion doing very well under oppression. Human belief under any particular oppression seems to thrive. This is perhaps because it weeds out those who are not really committed, thereby purifying the the body of believers. However it may be necessary that the belief must produce some significant benefit as many pagan belief systems have not necessarily faired so well.


I'd like to suggest that as alarmist as some sectors of Christianity can be, Christ is pretty pervasive.

For instance, as cultures try to shut down Christ and his people, a church spring up. If you look up visions of Jesus in the middle east, you can find a lot of stories of Muslims seeing visions of Jesus, starting them on the path to salvation.
So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus. (Rom 8:1 NLT)



If I speak with the tongues of men and angels but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. (1 Cor 13:1)
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Re: Straight Talk: Parents nude behavior bothers sisters

Postby Petros » Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:28 am

Albania when I visited was in a weird state. It had before Communism had Orthodox Christians in the south, Catholics [mostly? all? Eastern rite] in the north extending into Kosov0 - Mother Teresa comes out of that group - and a slew of Muslim Lite left over from the Turkish occipation.

During the aggressively atheist Communist regime, anybody who suggested there might be a power higher than the state was in trouble. By the time I got there, the current generation knew, my family is Catholic, your family is Muslim, Endrit's family is Muslim - but only a very few had any idea what that might mean. But there was a lot of rejoicing at having worship legal again. When the Catholic church in one northern town reopened for the first Mass in years, EVERYBODY turned out to celebrate, regardless of family religious tradition.

Very inspiring, actually.
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