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Re: How nudism is compatible with Christianity

Postby Ramblinman » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:08 am

jasenj1 wrote:
Petros wrote:As for hammers,

And hammers do not spring from the ground whole. There are mines, refineries, smithies, etc. required for their production. There is the issue of the environmental impact of producing the high-tech wonders that make life easier/more productive.

(To loop this back to naturism.)
From INF's homepage:
WHAT IS NATURISM?
"Naturism is a way of life in harmony with nature characterised by the practice of communal nudity with the intention of encouraging self-respect, respect for others and for the environment"

Part of wearing no clothes is to lessen the environmental impact of producing & maintaining them.

I am not saying that our present civilization that requires mines and destruction of the earth on a massive scale is the civilization that would have emerged from a humanity that had never sinned.
That is not to say humans would have no impact upon the Earth. Indeed God commanded Adam and Eve to modify their environment, but in accordance with his will.

As Christian naturists, we create the nearest equivalent to Eden that we can in own backyards and in communal space.
Because clothing obsession is a building block of the rebellion against God and rebellion against our humble place as creatures within a created natural order, we make a point of shunning clothes.
We have tried to become gods, outside of creation, independent of our loving heavenly Father.
But in the fullness of our rebellion, we would not become the gods we desire to be, rather, we would become the debased slaves of demon spirits.
The harder we strive to hide the vulnerable earthy nature of our naked bodies, the more it ruins our health, creates sensory deprivation, and teaches perversion to our children.

For centuries clothing has been perverted to create a ruler class with the finest soft apparel and peasant class with rough clothing.
Then in the past century or so, nudity became so rare that the sight of it could be sold as sexual entertainment.
And many churches in their ignorance of history, saw no nudity but perverted nudity.

Reverend Isley Boone was the first of many American pastors to realize the dangerous turn that society had taken and worked to restore Christianity to a rightful understanding of the body and nudity.
Catholic scholar Jim C. Cunningham, Paul Bowman and (unrelated to Paul), pastor Jeff Bowman have all articulated this return to sanity, the return to Eden (at least in attitude).
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Re: How nudism is compatible with Christianity

Postby Petros » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:22 am

And indeed - the way this universe is designed, with time and matter and energy and life and all - there is no living thing, virus or less, that can exist WITHOUT impactinmg the environment; even inorganics often affect the environment, witness wind and water.

The universe is timed, it is here to be used up.
The truth, the stark naked truth, the truth without so much as a loincloth on, should surely be the investigator's sole aim - Basil Chamberlain
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Re: How nudism is compatible with Christianity

Postby Ramblinman » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:29 am

Petros wrote:And indeed - the way this universe is designed, with time and matter and energy and life and all - there is no living thing, virus or less, that can exist WITHOUT impactinmg the environment; even inorganics often affect the environment, witness wind and water.

The universe is timed, it is here to be used up.

The idea of sustainable impact should not be lost on you, Brother Petros.
Not all resources are organically renewable, but what isn't can be recycled with minimal loss.
I am not arguing against the second law of thermodynamics, but we can be good stewards of those resources as we use them.
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Re: How nudism is compatible with Christianity

Postby Petros » Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:59 am

The question is how far can we "sustainably" avoid being bacilli in a petri dish.

But therein lie six arguments and ten rants....
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Re: How nudism is compatible with Christianity

Postby Ramblinman » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:45 pm

Petros wrote:The question is how far can we "sustainably" avoid being bacilli in a petri dish.

But therein lie six arguments and ten rants....

It helps to start with simple analogies:
If you were a farmer, hoping to pass down the farm to your children, you would aim for sustainable yield for your children and grandchildren.
How? Take care of your water use, maintain soil fertility and avoid accumulation of toxins such as pesticides, herbicides and fungicides.
You don't cut every tree in your woods, assuming you have enough to provide for the family.
You maintain diverse seed stock to weather the uncertainties of plant pathogens that may arise to devastate one variety, but not all varieties of your crops.
In some parts of the world, farmers practice slash and burn to grow crops until the fertility is gone. They move to new fields and perchance return to their former fields in a course of a few years, but by then the fertility is restored as minerals percolate up from the subsoil and humus is rebuilt from leaf litter, twigs, etc.
The parameters of their system is the tribal land. In the temperate zone, farmers practice crop rotation. Smaller system, but same principle.

Ecology was not created ex-nihilo, but from the very principles that wise farmers have employed.
We humans, little images of a big God have done best when we follow the principles set forth by THE GREAT FARMER ABOVE.
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Re: How nudism is compatible with Christianity

Postby jochanaan » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:25 pm

And that is why many First Peoples use the Seventh Generation principle. But too many today don't even consider the seventh day! (And this time I'm not referring to the Sabbath.)
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Re: How nudism is compatible with Christianity

Postby DaveT » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:27 pm

The garden of Eden was a sample of what the whole world would have become if sin had not entered. The descendants of Adam and Eve would have spread out and planted their own gardens, eventually covering the earth. And when the population grew to where there was no more room I think God would have made other planets habitable and given personal anti gravity style flight capability to everyone with that aura of light around them serving as space suit. The only resources being "consumed" would not really be consumed, but 100% renewed in the cycle of nature. It's the after sin environment that has made necessary the use of resources that are limited. Maybe not entirely necessary but in practical life necessary. 100% non resource consuming existence is possible but not without backing up to primitive life, walking or riding a horse everywhere. Not even using metals very much if any to make work easier. I know God does not expect us to live like that now. He knows resources are limited and is fixin to fix things up where this world gets wiped out as it is now and rebuilt to where the original plan can be re implemented. Rev 21:[1] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
[2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
[3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
[4] And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
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Re: How nudism is compatible with Christianity

Postby Petros » Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:56 am

100% non resource consuming existence is possible


How? Or are we not using fire, not growing crops, not even using stone tools?

okay, it is a closed system and al;l the resources we are "consuming" now are still in the active mill of the system as long as rain falls, wind bows, sun shines and tides rise and fall. But any life reshapes the lifeless.
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Re: How nudism is compatible with Christianity

Postby Ramblinman » Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:14 am

Petros wrote:
100% non resource consuming existence is possible


How? Or are we not using fire, not growing crops, not even using stone tools?

okay, it is a closed system


No, the glory of the Lord shall fill the Earth. That is NOT a closed system.
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