A Journey of Faith, Certainty and Discovery

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Re: A Journey of Faith, Certainty and Discovery

Postby dv8 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:02 pm

As I have said elsewhere, I have been kept away for a while - my regrets for not staying with this deeply engaging conversation. There's no need to re-start things at this point, but I wanted to simply state my gratitude for the challenges made, which I can now re-read to further my understanding. I'm guessing we are closer as a group than we realize when we first interact, and although we may all worship in different ways and might vote differently at the ballot box, I am encouraged that we are listening to the Holy Spirit and living from an intent to love, honor and obey. Proverbs 27:17 has been a comfort to me since my Bible school days, when a music team I sang with performed a setting of that verse, "Iron sharpens Iron," over a multi-week driving tour of the upper midwest. I know I can use some deep sharpening!

I wanted to finish with special thanks for the following:
Englishman wrote:...In Eph 3:17b-19 Paul says, "... that you being rooted & grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height - to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge..." I often feel the hyphen represents a pause in the Apostle's dictation when the absolute splendour of what he was attempting to communicate simply overwhelmed him. To be able to know that which passes knowledge sounds oxymoronic but in Him such things are true & here I am slowly getting to the point; there is stuff about God I will never fully know this side of the grave. I may get glimpses; glimpses of heaven so wonderful I would be reduced, like Ezekiel, to trying to express infinite truth in finite language....

Thank you all for your words of wisdom.
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Re: A Journey of Faith, Certainty and Discovery

Postby jochanaan » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:30 pm

Hello, dv8, and a long-delayed welcome. -- Is it possible that, while the Truth is brilliant, clear and simple, our minds (though being regenerated and "reNude" :) ), are still so unused to the brilliance that it seems dark to us?
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Re: A Journey of Faith, Certainty and Discovery

Postby dv8 » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:35 pm

Jochanaan - thank you for that. Yes, we see as though "through a glass, darkly" - and I really like your re-setting of that idea. I recall being troubled by that verse in my youth; there was so much that I wanted to believe was clear, so how could my faith community be wrong? Yet with age comes greater experience, and with greater experience comes a new perspective on things that once seemed clear. I have become more introspective on the shortcomings of my human intellect, and place more faith in the greater promises of the gospel than on the details of the doctrines.

I trust that you are well!
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Re: A Journey of Faith, Certainty and Discovery

Postby jude700 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:07 pm

[quote="Petros" » 21 Aug 2017 06:44 ]Scientific proof:

It is "riding a bicycle" if and only if:

a. training wheels are attached
b. there is a bell tuned to C#
c. there is a single gear ratio, 2 to 1
d. the rider has on padded blue lycra shorts
e. the rider drives on the left side of a designated bike path
f. the path is level.

Any thing a cyclist does conformable to these rules shall be valid Cycling. Any other activity involving a bicycle shall be nul and void.[/quote]
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/Really this "Scientific proof" is a "Scientific spoof" :argh:

a. Training wheels can be hazardous.
b. Warning device must be audible for a given distance.
c. Gear ratio is compatible with size of bicycle.
d. The only rule concerning wearing gear is an authorized helmet.
e. Bicycles are to follow the same rules of the road as automobiles.
f. What path is really level?


Now we know we were really being joshed!
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Re: A Journey of Faith, Certainty and Discovery

Postby Petros » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:27 am

Who, me, joshing?
The truth, the stark naked truth, the truth without so much as a loincloth on, should surely be the investigator's sole aim - Basil Chamberlain
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Re: A Journey of Faith, Certainty and Discovery

Postby Ramblinman » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:59 am

A frequent claim of skeptics: if God reveals himself to mankind, why are there so many contradictory revelations?

Knowing what we know of God...
He reveals enough truth that the Elect can hear and believe with saving faith.

Knowing what we know of humanity in its depravity...
They have ears to hear, yet do not listen.

Does God reveal additional truths from scripture to the Elect beyond that which is sufficient for our salvation?
If it will help us grow more into his likeness, I would say, "yes".

How much truth will we learn in a lifetime?

Still waiting for an answer to that question.
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Re: A Journey of Faith, Certainty and Discovery

Postby Petros » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:54 am

Contradictory revelations: true story.

I am on the bus heading for Martin's corners, running steady along Parsons Avenue. Of course I watch the route. A third of the way along, the bus turns left onto Twombly. This is not the way to Twombly! I am on the wrong bus. A block after the wrong turn, I pull the cord, get off, start walking back toward Parsons. The bus goes two blocks, turns right, runs past the gate of the College picking up passengers - and heads back and resumes its trip along Parson's Avenue. I was pretty hot and tired by the time I got to my destination.

We do not know the route well enough to judge what is contradictory.
The truth, the stark naked truth, the truth without so much as a loincloth on, should surely be the investigator's sole aim - Basil Chamberlain
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Re: A Journey of Faith, Certainty and Discovery

Postby Ramblinman » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:15 am

Petros wrote:Contradictory revelations: true story.

I am on the bus heading for Martin's corners, running steady along Parsons Avenue. Of course I watch the route. A third of the way along, the bus turns left onto Twombly. This is not the way to Twombly! I am on the wrong bus. A block after the wrong turn, I pull the cord, get off, start walking back toward Parsons. The bus goes two blocks, turns right, runs past the gate of the College picking up passengers - and heads back and resumes its trip along Parson's Avenue. I was pretty hot and tired by the time I got to my destination.

We do not know the route well enough to judge what is contradictory.

Of course you could have simply asked the driver before you jumped off the bus.
There is SOMEONE ELSE who is seldom consulted in life's journey, but who would provide guidance if asked.
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